http://www.nadiyainc.com/ http://www.escapeartist.com/efam25/love.html Howdy y'all. What do y'all think about these 2 links and the idea of going to Eastern Europe to study medicine? Could an American really do this and then get certified to become a medical doctor here in the USA? Good day!
Technically, yes you can. Whether it's a good idea - I don't know. I well may be that English-language Carribean schools that have arrangements with U. S. hospitals and teach to the USMLE test are worth some extra cost.
It's Ukrainian (I wonder wich Carpathian nation Janko belongs to?). I could volunteer for tutoring (for an appropriate fee)
Does the school teach in Ukrainian or Russian? My friend's wife is an ethnic Russian from Yalta, Ukraine and she doesn't even speak Ukrainian, only Russian, so I figure there must be a sizable minority there. -=Steve=-
Yeah, VERY sizable. Many ethnic Ukrainians in the East and South Ukraine speak Russian too, my own first language is Russian. But if we speak of Lviv State Medical University, I guess it teaches in Ukrainian, since Lviv is in the West and a cultural center of "Ukrainian-speaking Ukraine".
The agency that offers admissions help (for a fee) states that "All programs are offered in the English language." "http://www.nadiyainc.com/index.htm" and Where are the med schools you represent located? We presently have arrangements with medical schools in the Czech Republic, Slovak Republic, Romania, Bulgaria, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Poland, Hungary, Russia, Kazakhstan and, of course, Ukraine.
medical school brokers go to www.valuemd.com and post a question to the students about this particular broker. Many of these 'med school brokers' fail to deliver and get you into bad situations with schools that haven't licensed ANY students in the US.
Thank you to everyone for all the posts and information. And, "wow!"-this is very interesting- http://www.nadiyainc.com/ "My name is Lev Fedyniak and I am the Executive Director of Nadiya, Inc., a medical school recruiting firm, one of the premier recruiting agencies in Eastern Europe!" http://www.nasdr.com/pdf-text/9701dis.txt "Lev George Fedyniak (Registered Representative, Poughkeepsie, New York) was fined $170,000 and barred from association with any NASD member in any capacity. The sanctions were based on findings that Fedyniak received $30,000 from public customers for purchasing investments on their behalf and instead, invested these monies with a non-member firm and failed to return any of the customers' money at their request. Fedyniak also failed to respond to NASD requests for information." How do y'all find this stuff? (smiles). Great job!
http://www.mediapersonnel.com/Browse/freelancer.asp?freelancerid=2861&mediatypeid= http://www.levfedyniak.com/ http://www.levfedyniak.com/real%20estate.htm http://www.magicalblend.com/library/newsletter/2004News/January092004/january092004content.html#cat Here are some more links that provide a larger picture of Dr. Lev Fedyniak. "Lev Fedyniak & Associates (LF&A) is a premier consulting and business related company positioned to take advantage of opportunities in Eastern Europe, particularly Ukraine and the former Soviet Union."
Med School in Ukraine and Nadiya Inc. One of your readers was kind enough to send me an email asking about me, Nadiay Inc., and the reference about "trouble with the law" referenced in this thread. I wanted to take a moment to introduce myself and set the record straight about a few things. My name is Lev G. Fedyniak, MD. I am a physician and Executive Director of Nadiya, Inc., a med school recruiting firm. There was a mention form an NASD log about my being in trouble with the law. First, I was never in "trouble with the law" as may be thought. The NASD is a private association to which all members involved in the securities (stock, bonds and other investments) must belong. Kind of like the American Medical Association (AMA) relative to physicians. The organization that addresses legal issues (thus would qualify for "in trouble with the law") is the Securities and Exchange Commission (the SEC). They were NEVER involved in this issue. The facts are simple. I had a client who came into some money and wanted it invested overseas where returns were higher. I explained that where there are greater returns there is greater risk. He understood and wanted to go ahead anyway. I made the investment in his behalf. A year later, the investment went south. I still managed to save his principle but his profits vanished overnight and they were sizeable. He decided to make a complaint. The NASD sided with my former client because I had put them in an investment that didn't have prior approval, an action that broke the rules of the NASD, NOT THE LAW!!! Their in-house administrators levied the fine. I opted for something called "nolo contendere" wherein I neither admitted nor denied fault, agreed to give up my license and the NASD waived the fine (as it was really unenforceable anyway). I chose to do so because there were other investors who were also involved but didn't opt to be cry babies about taking an investment hit. They knew the risks, as did this client, and were pleased that I was astute enough to get their original investment back! So, that's the story. As for med school recruiting. I myself am a graduate of Lviv National Medical University- the first American to have graduated that institution. I have recruited several dozen students to that and other universities in Ukraine. Some have made it, some have washed out, some have transferred. Mine was the first graduating class in English and really, for all intents and purposes, of Western Europeans. Many have gone back home to specialize or practice. I have chosen not to go back to the US to practice medicine. Why? A number of reasons. First, my wife and new born son are here in Ukraine (I am Ukrainian by heritage). Second, I've really little interest in spending a fortune on malpractice insurance only to get sued anyway. What really made up my mind was a coupe of years back when I was visiting my family in the States and read about a physician who was sued because he kept a patient waiting too long in the waiting room. Guess what. The patient WON! I said to myself then and there, that's not why I went into medicine. I practice here in Ukraine and I've been to other third world countries to help out in clinics. I also chose to write, something I had been doing for years, primarily about health and medicine, to share what I had learned to help more people reach a level of health and offer suggestions for alternative treatment procedures. Finally, I do consulting here in Ukraine, for companies interested in doing business here. I've lived in Ukraine for eight years now and have been coming here for business seven years more. I felt I had something to offer. Apparently, I was right as I have quite a nice little following. In any event, that's the story. If you'd like more info or if I can be of assonance, please let me know. Thanks. Dr. Lev Lev G. Fedyniak, MD
Re: Med School in Ukraine and Nadiya Inc. Any of your students get licensed yet in the US from the schools that you are brokering for? Have any of them taken the USMLE's and got into residencies?
We have one young man who started here but transferred after his second year to a Carib med school. He had to take the USMLE Step 1 to complete his transfer and yes, he did pass. By the way, he's completed his studies and is now doing his residency, in the States, in OB/GYN. Besides myself, there is only one other American graduate. She finished last year and is currently studying hard for her USMLE step 1 exam, incl. Kaplan, I believe. Other Ukrainian graduates of any number of Ukrianian med schools have taken and passed the USMLE and are practiicng in the US and Canada. Many of the English medium programs are VERY new only six or seven years old and American students are only now discovering Eastern Europe as a viable option for study. I expect we'll be seeing more students taking and passing the USMLE over the next few years. Dr. Lev
Ukrainian is THE majority's language all over Ukraine, except the seashore where russian is ( these territories in krimea etc were part of a dispute with Russia ). The more north, east you go, the more ukrainian you must know, otherwise you may be subject to prejudice even (and especially) if you speak russian. If the idea of a foreign medical school is a short-cut compared to local schools, i'd stay clear of it. One should first question his own motives for choosing Ukraine over his country. I mentioned already the croatian/slovenian med schools taylored for italians failed to deliver ( a few degrees reported as equipollent through political lobby/bribery; court cases stripping degrees away ). I once met an italian MD who couldn't practice in CANADA...go figure; and he was a paper author & assistant to world renowned specialists. Sure there are $ & else consideration There are reported cases of people with eastern european or else degrees slipping through the net. What isn't mentioned is: * they are very, very, very few * oftentimes they are demanded an additional internship, catching-up or whatever; and/or they have their qualification downgraded ( ex a MD in X working in X as a nurse or paramedic ). It all boils down to protectionism every country adopts to give priority to its own graduates. It was already mentioned that even the EEC directive and the Lisbon agreement have most of the time no value whatsoever, even when it comes to arts & humanities degrees. The fraud going inherent to ERASMUS & other EEC student exchange programmes is obvious: many students enroll therein, just to get their foreign credits questioned back home, with demands of catching-up etc. Nowadays EEC authorities forewarn exchange students ought to better get WRITTEN approval from their local university, before going abroad to get credits
This is not exactly true. Big industrial Donetsk region is russian-speaking, as are big east-ukrainian cities - Lugansk, Harkiv, Dnipropetrivs'k etc. Kyiv, the capital, is mostly Russian-speaking, although it became much more Ukrainian-language friendly these days. Any accusations of "prejustice" are almost unfounded. (I am Russian-speaking Ukrainian from Kyiv and support Ukrainian as the only state language.)
Much as I regret to do so, I have to agree with Stanislav. Though Ukrainian is the official language of Ukraine, it has been so under Russian influence and for so long, that Russian is more widely spoken than Ukrainian. However, albeit slowly, it is changing, even in the East. Not so much so in the south, I'm afraid. By the way, it's more Ukrainian as you go WEST rather than as you go North. So, in Lviv for example, Ukrainian is more commonly spoken than Russian. As for education in foreign med schools, hey, you get out what you put in! You want to slide by, sure, you can do so here in Ukraine as much so as in in any other country. Just do enough to get by. Of course, I can guarantee WHAT KIND of doctor you'll be too.... Dr. Lev
let alone big cities such as Kiev ( for obvious reasons ) , i have experienced that outside in the country, it is very likely to be given the "speak white" trip by ukrainians. Same as russians do with ukrainians ( i have heard countless time referring to them as "gypsies" ). Most people speak both, but for some reasons like the "speak white" attitude i already experienced in Canada. In some instances, try speaking french in westmount/west island/Mcgill & Concordia. Try speaking french in Toronto. The fun part was they were so uptight & aloof while giving me the lord Durham treatment, that they didn't realize i could understand everything and reply accordingly ( which i did ). -------------------------------------------------------------------------- As for education in foreign med schools, hey, you get out what you put in! You want to slide by, sure, you can do so here in Ukraine as much so as in in any other country. Just do enough to get by. Of course, I can guarantee WHAT KIND of doctor you'll be too.... i don't really understand what you're saying. as far as i know, it doesn't really matter the local standard. Some rock low local standard could only worsen the situation. However Objections to equipollence of degrees are absolute in nature. Most times they don't care where you're from. Sure, if they object to your german or canadian degree, you bet they are just going to object more to your ukrainian one.
