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    Post Arias suspended by California State University !!!!!!


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    Originally posted by Gert Potgieter:
    http://chronicle.com/free/2001/12/2001121801u.htm
    When I got out of there last August(as a student who hadn't done any work and as an unpaid graduate assistant doing grunt work in return for a break on tuition I never took advantage of), I e-mailed Armando, asking how he could continue to be associated with what had clearly become a bad situation. (This was after my discussion with a Florida official, who confirmed MIGS's application for licensure was returned as insufficient, and was astonished to hear they were still operating.) He did not answer.

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    Chip White and I met with Dr. Arias last year. We liked the man a lot, and he certainly has fine credentials and writing credits in higher education . But when we asked some detailed questions about MIGS and the exact relationships among Sheila Danzig, MIGS, Arias, and the school in Mexico, we were really not sure whether he was clueless or evasive, but we surely did not get answers.

    Perhaps to our "Time Bomb 1" (real diploma from fake school) and "Time Bomb 2" (fake diploma from real school), we can add the Arias 2001 model, "Time Bomb 3" (official affiliation with non-wonderful school).
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    I’m certain a factor influencing this decision is the fact that California State University, Monterey Bay is still only a candidate for accreditation with WASC. In fact, they recently had an extension of candidacy report filed by the visiting WASC team. Having one of their deans affiliated with the Danzigs and their ilk does nothing to improve their chances for accreditation.

    But then again, it is just a suspension pending an investigation, right?


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    Originally posted by Gus Sainz:
    But then again, it is just a suspension pending an investigation, right?
    Right. But whatever else happens, you can bet he's in for one hell of a woodshed session.

    The only thing that MIGS seems to have left is the degree.com domain name, which they could probably sell for something. And they'd better do it soon before the negative associations become too well known.

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    It has been a long-standing practice of degree mills to list faculty that either are unaware that they have been listed, or not fully cognizant of the true nature of the school. If any kind of association can have serious repercussions for an instructor, can the bogus school be held liable? Not being an attorney, I am curious as to the opinions of those members of this forum who are.

    Wouldn’t it just wonderful fabulous if Dr. Arias sued el MIGS for damage to his reputation and career, loss of income, etc.? What would be the venue? Florida? California? Texas? We can only hope that it makes Court TV. Where’s Geraldo Rivera when you truly need him? :d


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    Originally posted by Gus Sainz:
    It has been a long-standing practice of degree mills to list faculty that either are unaware that they have been listed, or not fully cognizant of the true nature of the school. If any kind of association can have serious repercussions for an instructor, can the bogus school be held liable? Not being an attorney, I am curious as to the opinions of those members of this forum who are.

    Wouldn’t it just wonderful fabulous if Dr. Arias sued el MIGS for damage to his reputation and career, loss of income, etc.? What would be the venue? Florida? California? Texas? We can only hope that it makes Court TV. Where’s Geraldo Rivera when you truly need him? :d


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    I don't know how MIGS has damaged Arias. He lent his name and took the title of "President." (He said so himself when contacted by the Chronicle.) He went to Mexico to meet with CEU and educational officials. MIGS didn't appropriate his name; he gave it.

    Armando was always "hands-off" regarding the running of MIGS. That was left to Bruce Forman. But Armando had very high hopes for what would come of all of this. I wonder, though, if there wasn't a hidden agenda. One has been suggested to me that fits both the role Armando assumed and the nature of his activities on behalf of MIGS.

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    Originally posted by Gert Potgieter:
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    I have to say that I'm glad that the CSU acted. They are protecting their own honor directly, and mine as a CSU graduate indirectly. And as Gus points out, CSUMB is still a candidate for accreditation and WASC is a stickler for integrity.

    But I'm not sure what the CSU should do with Arias. I guess a lot will depend on what MIGS truly was, what its relationship with CEU truly was, and what the Mexican government's involvement truly was.

    Whether Arias' participation was just a laughably naive underestimation of the time and effort needed to shepherd a promising new school into existence, or whether he was a knowing participant in creating a degree-mill scam, depends on the small print.

    On the best interpretation, he probably should keep his CSU job and simply be warned to use a little better judgement in the future. On the critical interpretation, he probably should be fired.





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    Originally posted by Gert Potgieter:
    Right. But whatever else happens, you can bet he's in for one hell of a woodshed session.

    The only thing that MIGS seems to have left is the degree.com domain name, which they could probably sell for something. And they'd better do it soon before the negative associations become too well known.
    I'm not sure who owned the degree.com domain name prior to December of this year (the Danzigs I thought), but it appears that CEU now owns it as of the 11th; perhaps this has always been so since the MIGS/CEU marriage:

    Domain Name: DEGREE.COM
    Registrar: DIRECT INFORMATION PVT. LTD., D/B/A DIRECTI.COM
    Whois Server: whois.directi.com
    Referral URL: http://www.directi.com
    Name Server: NS1.HE.NET
    Name Server: NS2.HE.NET
    Name Server: NS3.HE.NET
    Updated Date: 11-dec-2001
    The Registry database contains ONLY .COM, .NET, .ORG, .EDU domains and
    Registrars.

    [whois.directi.com]
    Whois info for degree.com:
    Registrant:

    Centro de Estudios Universitarios,admin@degree.com
    Hidalgo 535 Pte.
    Monterrey
    NL,64000
    MX
    +1.8004591738 +1.8887434523

    Domain Name: degree.com

    Administrative Contact:
    Centro de Estudios Universitarios,admin@degree.com
    Hidalgo 535 Pte.
    Monterrey
    NL,64000
    MX
    +1.8004591738 +1.8887434523

    Technical Contact:
    Centro de Estudios Universitarios,admin@degree.com
    Hidalgo 535 Pte.
    Monterrey
    NL,64000
    MX
    +1.8004591738 +1.8887434523

    Billing Contact:
    Centro de Estudios Universitarios,admin@degree.com
    Hidalgo 535 Pte.
    Monterrey
    NL,64000
    MX
    +1.8004591738 +1.8887434523

    Record expires on 20-3-2011

    Domain servers in listed order:
    NS1.HE.NET
    NS2.HE.NET
    NS3.HE.NET


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    Originally posted by Bill Highsmith:
    I'm not sure who owned the degree.com domain name prior to December of this year (the Danzigs I thought), but it appears that CEU now owns it as of the 11th....
    I meant to add that I was unable to connect to the degree.com site. COINCIDENCE? Inquiring minds want to know.


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    Originally posted by Bill Highsmith:
    Originally posted by Bill Highsmith:
    I'm not sure who owned the degree.com domain name prior to December of this year (the Danzigs I thought), but it appears that CEU now owns it as of the 11th....
    I meant to add that I was unable to connect to the degree.com site. COINCIDENCE? Inquiring minds want to know.


    I just did some 25 minutes after your post.

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    Originally posted by Rich Douglas:

    I just did some 25 minutes after your post.
    I too was able to load the pages, but I'm wondering if the site was down for a little old-fashioned purging of unfavorable information? It certainly wouldn't be the first time.


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    "it appears that CEU now owns it as of the 11th"

    It is likely just the MIGs gang trying to cover their tracks. I am glad Rich and Peter out of that burning building.

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    If you go to the site map, the links for the president's and vice-president's welcome letters point back to a page which no longer lists their letters. Arias's can be read here.

    The ceugraduate.com domain, incidentally, is registered to Sheila.

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    Originally posted by Gert Potgieter:
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    Excuse me, I've been holding this in for months . . .



    And finally, !

    There . . . I feel better now.


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    Originally posted by levicoff:
    Excuse me, I've been holding this in for months . . .



    And finally, !

    There . . . I feel better now.


    I'd be laughing right along with Steve, except nothing's changed. The site is up, they're still pretending to be Mexicans, etc. It would be nice to see it shut down and a definitive word given as to what really went on. (I know, I know, but I'm making out my wish list to Santa.)

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