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    Post Monterrey vs.Charles Sturt

    I'm considering Monterrey and also Charles Sturt for a PhD/PsyD in psychology . What I like about Monterrey is that their faculty are all from the US. On the other hand, though Charles Sturt's faculty presumably are from Australia, the school will probally enjoy a better reputation (more resources,etc) If Monterrey is truly Gaapable, both will serve my for my goal of licensure.Both are significantly less expensive than US counterparts (Union,Saybrook,Fielding,Capella ,etc)

    For example Charles Sturt's tuition is $3,000-$4,000 vs $12,000-$16,000 for the US programs. It is also completed in 3 years, vs 4 for the US programs.

    What are peoples perception of CS vs Monterrey.

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    Originally posted by davidf:
    [B}both will serve my for my goal of licensure.[/B]
    I'd encourage you to speak with the training director at whatever institution you decide to attend about success in placing students in pre-doctoral internships. You may find this to be a significant roadblock.


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    Originally posted by davidf:
    I'm considering Monterrey and also Charles Sturt for a PhD/PsyD in psychology.

    I'd go with Sturt in a heartbeat. Large, well established campus-based program, lengthy experience in delivering DL, highly respected, and unlike MIGS/CEU, Sturt is actually involved in the delivery of education .

    What I like about Monterrey is that their faculty are all from the US.


    If any of them are actually faculty members for MIGS/CEU. Several supposed faculty members, when contacted, reported that they had made an initial application to work with MIGS students, but had chosen not to after talking with MIGS personnel.... but this didn't stop MIGS from listing said individuals as faculty on the degree.com website.

    Additionally, when someone contacted a faculty member whose name was prominently mentioned in MIGS materials, found out the individual had no connection with MIGS, and complained to MIGS, Bruce Foreman, a MIGS dean, belittled the individual for making direct contact with the "faculty" member, and said that all contacts should come through MIGS... presumably, so they can then determine if the person actually still does or ever did work for MIGS.


    On the other hand, though Charles Sturt's faculty presumably are from Australia, the school will probally enjoy a better reputation (more resources,etc)


    Absolutely without question. Keep in mind that neither MIGS nor the CEU has *ever* issued a doctoral degree.


    If Monterrey is truly Gaapable, both will serve my for my goal of licensure.


    A big "if" Not unlike the folks now entering Northcentral university while it's in candidacy for regional accreditation. IF it makes it, the gamble will pay off. If not, it will be another less-than-wonderful degree.

    Keep in mind that Sheila Danzig, a principal owner of degree.com, which owns MIGS, is the queen of loopholes and less-than-wonderful operations . (A report on the Internet says she was busted by postal authorities in connection with a "make money stuffing envelopes" scam she ran, and which she *continued* to run, in defiance of authorities, after being caught and sanctioned. Remarkable similarity to a current, highly questionable Florida office handling all of the communications to a program that magically has "moved" to Mexico on a couple days notice.


    Both are significantly less expensive than US counterparts (Union,Saybrook,Fielding,Capella ,etc)


    But one is long established with a solid reputation. The other has been a web of deceit, contradiction, misdirection, confusion, and less-than-ethical behavior.


    What are peoples perception of CS vs Monterrey. [/B]
    Hopefully, this will give you what you need.

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    Hi All,

    Good Point Mr. Williams, and David You’re right on the point regarding
    Flow of communication between you and your mentors, when you start to spend money on international long distance phone calls, chasing them here and there won’t be picnic.
    I too have options with The U k and the South African schools, but I am constrained
    By my concern for easy flow of communication, and of cause other associated costs.
    Please keep us posted.


    Good luck and enjoy your weekend

    Timmy Ade Urging David to consider all associated costs to a foreign DL program, before enrolling in one.
    TF

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    Originally posted by davidf:
    I'm considering Monterrey and also Charles Sturt for a PhD/PsyD in psychology . What I like about Monterrey is that their faculty are all from the US. On the other hand, though Charles Sturt's faculty presumably are from Australia, the school will probally enjoy a better reputation (more resources,etc) If Monterrey is truly Gaapable, both will serve my for my goal of licensure.Both are significantly less expensive than US counterparts (Union,Saybrook,Fielding,Capella ,etc)

    For example Charles Sturt's tuition is $3,000-$4,000 vs $12,000-$16,000 for the US programs. It is also completed in 3 years, vs 4 for the US programs.

    What are peoples perception of CS vs Monterrey.

    At least Charles Sturt has full time faculty, MIGS has an impressive list of faculty members with degrees from top universities, the only problem is that all of them are freelances, some of them are not even aware that are in the list. In few words they will list anyone that applies and has good credentials, but the faculty won’t get pay unless there have a student to supervise, so since MIGS has only few students most of the faculty that is listed won’t ever be paid but remain in the list. MIGS has a very good strategy to attract students with no budget.





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    Originally posted by RFValve:

    At least Charles Sturt has full time faculty, MIGS has an impressive list of faculty members with degrees from top universities, the only problem is that all of them are freelances, some of them are not even aware that are in the list. In few words they will list anyone that applies and has good credentials, but the faculty won’t get pay unless there have a student to supervise, so since MIGS has only few students most of the faculty that is listed won’t ever be paid but remain in the list. MIGS has a very good strategy to attract students with no budget.



    The state of Nuevo Leon in Mexico has very relax standards to open a university. It is legal , but even in Mexico where people know the difference would be practically worthless. BTW, when I visited Monterrey Mexico, I happen to cross a university that was advertising its PhD in Philosophy, the university was one room of the size of the typical language institute, no library, no facilities, it would make Trinity College and University look like Harvard.



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    Chip - I would like your opinion - if you were just starting out and trying to decide between Charles Sturt or Northcentral which would you chose and why. Thank you, Mary

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    Originally posted by ponotoc2:
    Chip - I would like your opinion - if you were just starting out and trying to decide between Charles Sturt or Northcentral which would you chose and why. Thank you, Mary
    Mmmmm.

    Right now, I think I'd go with Sturt. It's a known quantity, legitimate, respected, established, and definitely meets GAAP.

    Northcentral *could* be a good choice, but I'm not generally the gambling type, and the risk with Northcentral is that they may be significantly delayed in reaching accreditation, or may never reach it at all. (They, of course, downplay this, but it's a very real risk. Union (admittedly, one of the first in the field) took something like 9 years to gain accreditation.)

    IF Northcentral is eventually accredited, you've earned a degree from a school that is RA for a very low cost compared to other RA schools (The risk factor is why the tuition is low.) On the other hand, if they don't make it, you will end up with a degree from another unaccredited school... and, based on what typically happens with other unaccrediteds, the likelihood of their long-term survival without accreditation is not good.

    One other thing: *Technically*, if the degree is earned before the school is accredited, then the degree isn't considered accredited. *in practice*, I've never heard of anyone questioning, say, an ITP or Union degree that was earned before these schools gained RA.

    If you're the gambling type, Northcentral could be a great deal, and with RA, a Northcentral degree might raise a few less eyebrows than a Sturt degree (only because Sturt is in Australia and would require a little explaining). But Sturt won't raise many eyebrows, and the quality and integrity of the school is without question, which is more than can be said for Northcentral and *WAY* more than can be said for CEU/MIGS


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