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    Hello, I'm new to this bulletin board, (introduced to it by Alan). I've recently enrolled for the PhD at Monterrey (can't get used to the new name yet) - I really did my homework well, before I sent my $100. I've had contact with the university and so far I've been impressed with the questions they ask, the information they've asked me to submit, the way they're examining each of my grad classes, and with their inquiry responses. I checked with UNESCO, and even went so far as to call quite a few USA company and schools to see what they thought of the university. All in the academic world could care less where a PhD comes from since so many US professors have obtained their degree from places outside the U.S. I'm going to continue reading the threads here because there are quite a few of them. I'd like to see if I'm missing any information that I hadn't thought to check on before signing up. Thank you, Mary

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    I've had contact with the university and so far I've been impressed with the questions they ask, the information they've asked me to submit, the way they're examining each of my grad classes, and with their inquiry responses.


    A kind of interesting statment. When you say University re you talking about the CEU which offers a few Masters and no Phds or are you talking about the MIGS boiler room operation?

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    Dave, this is really getting interesting - everything I've gotten lately is labled CEU and all phone responses have been referenced as being from CEU - and I AM going towards a PhD. Mary

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    Originally posted by ponotoc2:
    Hello, I'm new to this bulletin board, (introduced to it by Alan).

    Welcome. Who's Alan?

    I've recently enrolled for the PhD at Monterrey (can't get used to the new name yet) - I really did my homework well, before I sent my $100.


    No, you enrolled in a Ph.D. program in Fort Lauderdale. Let us hope it will result in a properly issued degree from the CEU in Monterrey.

    I've had contact with the university and so far I've been impressed with the questions they ask, the information they've asked me to submit, the way they're examining each of my grad classes, and with their inquiry responses.


    Have you been in contact with CEU officials, or the people who answer the 1-800 number that rings in Florida?

    I checked with UNESCO, and even went so far as to call quite a few USA company and schools to see what they thought of the university.


    It is well-established that the CEU is now listed in the IHU; with whom did you speak at UNESCO, and what did he/she say? And which companies did you speak with and what could they possibly say about this obscure little school in Monterrey, Mexico?

    All in the academic world could care less where a PhD comes from since so many US professors have obtained their degree from places outside the U.S.


    This sounds either naive or disingenuous. Of course the academic community cares about the source of one's degree. We do not know how acceptable/useful a Ph.D. issued from the CEU will be (which has no residential doctoral programs and only one master's).


    I'm going to continue reading the threads here because there are quite a few of them. I'd like to see if I'm missing any information that I hadn't thought to check on before signing up. Thank you, Mary
    Why does this sound "planted"? Hopefully, Mary is sincere and will find the program that meets her needs, should she enroll in MIGS.

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    [QUOTE]Originally posted by Rich Douglas:
    [B] Why does this sound "planted"? Hopefully, Mary is sincere and will find the

    Hi Rich, no I'm not 'planted' - I'm real and unassociated with CEU other than I mailed in my $100 and waiting for my evaluation - I'm sincere in that I'm trying to find an affordable PhD program (not one that costs $32,000 or $48,000 like I was referred to by the State Board of Independent Colleges and Universities (if you want that individual's name, email me privately please) - I was told to beware of anything I read in Bear's from now on.

    And maybe I should re-word what I said about earning a PhD - in the academic world three different professors (one UMSL, and two Webster) said that whether a university is accredited does not matter NEAR as much in the academic field for a PhD, as it does in the business world.

    I'm an adjunct professor (Not at CEU), and many of the professors at the university hold degrees from universities in the middle east. These are not accredited universities,yet they are recognized as PhD and make twice as much as I do. Here in Missouri, if you're teaching at a charter or private school, you don't even have to be certified - schools just need to have staffed a certain number of certified teachers . Things are different in every state.

    I'm not defending the school - I'm here to obtain information from students like myself who are trying to find affordable options to earning a PhD - I live over 100 miles round trip from the nearest university, and I work three jobs all in the opposite direction - that means a few hundred miles to get to a class daily - I just want affordable AND dependable AND reliable - and I'm searching for options. Mary

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    Originally posted by Rich Douglas:
    Why does this sound "planted"?
    I think you did a pretty good job explaining why. I came to the same likely conclusion myself.

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    Rich, Sorry - you asked me who Alan is - Alan was referred to me by someone at MIGS when I first started to enquire about actively enrolled students there. Alan suggested that I read the posts on this bulletin board. Mary


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    >>with whom did you speak at UNESCO, and what did he/she say? And which companies did you speak with and what could they possibly say about this obscure little school in Monterrey, Mexico?

    I contacted the deputy director "IAU/UNESCO Information Centre on Higher Education Unesco House" in rue Miollis in France - by email. She FAXed me the page showing the listing for "CEU / Monterrey". All she said in her email was that "CEU / Monterrey" was founded in 1970, recognized in good standing.

    I also spoke with a native teacher from Mexico City who had nothing negative to say about CEU - she mentioned that in her country the school was considered 'good'.

    And I spoke with a man who works for the Archdiocese of St. Louis who has a son who graduated from CEU years ago.

    As you can see, I really researched, and after doing so for three months, I'm still left wondering.... Mary

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    Originally posted by ponotoc2:
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    And maybe I should re-word what I said about earning a PhD - in the academic world three different professors (one UMSL, and two Webster) said that whether a university is accredited does not matter NEAR as much in the academic field for a PhD, as it does in the business world.
    Hmm. I've talked to a few dozen professors and several business execs. The general opinions I gathered from them were: Having a master's degree can make a big difference in business; having a PhD is of questionable value. Having an advanced degree from a university that is as prestigious as possible, *that* matters in academe. And like it or not, you can find a good bit of distrust of and disdain for distance learning among academics. Of course, this is just anecdotal evidence from both of us -- anyone out there have evidence from surveys or statistics or such?
    I'm an adjunct professor (Not at CEU), and many of the professors at the university hold degrees from universities in the middle east. These are not accredited universities,yet they are recognized as PhD and make twice as much as I do.
    Of course they aren't "accredited" in the US system of accreditation by associations recognized by the US Department of Education . And why should they be? They aren't U.S universities. However, I expect they'd be recognized as meeting generally accepted accreditation standards. Suppose a university wants to hire a French professor; one candidate has a Ph.D. from UMSL and one from the Sorbonne -- you know they'll go for the prestige. If it's CEU vs. UMSL ....

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    [quote]Originally posted by ponotoc2:
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    Originally posted by Rich Douglas:
    Why does this sound "planted"? Hopefully, Mary is sincere and will find the

    Hi Rich, no I'm not 'planted' - I'm real and unassociated with CEU other than I mailed in my $100 and waiting for my evaluation

    Except that it's actually $115; the extra fifteen is for the application fee.

    - I'm sincere in that I'm trying to find an affordable PhD program (not one that costs $32,000 or $48,000 like I was referred to by the State Board of Independent Colleges and Universities (if you want that individual's name, email me privately please)

    In Florida? They referred you to a school they've determine is operating illegally? Or do you mean they referred you to some other school that was expensive? Okay, I'll bite. Who? I can't e-mail you since you didn't leave your e-mail address. You can e-mail me at rcdouglas@erols.com. Of course, there is no reason for that person to need anonymity, but okay.

    - I was told to beware of anything I read in Bear's from now on.

    By whom? You believed this? The book is in its 14th edition and has sold close to half a million copies over the last 25 years. Sorry, but this is the kind of slur used by people involved in questionable activities in distance "education ."

    And maybe I should re-word what I said about earning a PhD - in the academic world three different professors (one UMSL, and two Webster) said that whether a university is accredited does not matter NEAR as much in the academic field for a PhD, as it does in the business world.


    Of course, you realize this is backwards. While there are people teaching at accredited schools that are listed with unaccredited doctorates, they're always in positions that do not require the doctorate. I don't know that anyone's ever established a case where a tenured position requiring a doctorate was filled by someone with such qualifications.

    I'm an adjunct professor (Not at CEU), and many of the professors at the university hold degrees from universities in the middle east. These are not accredited universities,yet they are recognized as PhD and make twice as much as I do. Here in Missouri, if you're teaching at a charter or private school, you don't even have to be certified - schools just need to have staffed a certain number of certified teachers. Things are different in every state.


    You didn't state the universities from which these people earned their degrees, but it is likely those schools meet GAAP. So does the CEU. But we do not know if your degree program through MIGS will result in a properly issued diploma from the CEU and the proper documentation from the Secretary of Education in Nuevo Leon. Then there is the whole doctorate-issued-by-a-school-with-no-doctoral-programs issue, not to mention the debacle that has been MIGS itself.


    I'm not defending the school - I'm here to obtain information from students like myself who are trying to find affordable options to earning a PhD - I live over 100 miles round trip from the nearest university, and I work three jobs all in the opposite direction - that means a few hundred miles to get to a class daily - I just want affordable AND dependable AND reliable - and I'm searching for options. Mary
    Well, MIGS might be a viable option. So are many other distance learning doctoral programs, many foreign, many much more affordable than MIGS. The best place to find out about these is Bears' Guide. But you've decided not to trust that.

    I look forward to hearing from you very soon. I will report back to the group only whether or not I hear from you privately.

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    [quote]Originally posted by ponotoc2:
    I was told to beware of anything I read in Bear's from now on.
    Who exactly told you that? That is precisely the type of statement we're used to seeing from the operators/alumni of degree mills.

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    Have you checked the actual site for CEU and the direct link to the distance learning program? Also,with their listing in the UNESCO handbook, they are GAAP. Granted the Florida site is a bit messy, all my communiction has gone through the Monterrey campus. I am interested in a PhD in Psychology ,and am impressed with the faculty. I have not found a RA school that is as reasonably priced and meets the requirements for licensure as a psychologist in California and also eligible for membership in the APA,(non RA PhD's are not eligible for membership even if licensed.

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    Mary,
    Please listen to me.This is a good forum for a lot of reasons,But do not get caught in the BROOHAHA that goes on around here particularly when it comes to the issue of MIGS/CEU.
    There is a clear case of "anti Migs crusade"
    on this forum. There is nothing and I do mean nothing that you can say or offer, that will change a flock of pretty biased minded folks. My personal advise to you is that if you're satisfied with the reliability of your
    research and fact fiding initiatives, you better just go on ahead with your program.if you are looking to rationalize your decision, then stick around. but I guarrantee you if you are not carefull and alert,by next week at the latest, You'll be thanking folks for SPINING your head out gear (without even knowing it.)

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    Originally posted by Timmy Ade:
    Mary,
    Please listen to me.This is a good forum for a lot of reasons,But do not get caught in the BROOHAHA that goes on around here particularly when it comes to the issue of MIGS/CEU.
    There is a clear case of "anti Migs crusade"
    on this forum. There is nothing and I do mean nothing that you can say or offer, that will change a flock of pretty biased minded folks. My personal advise to you is that if you're satisfied with the reliability of your
    research and fact fiding initiatives, you better just go on ahead with your program.if you are looking to rationalize your decision, then stick around. but I guarrantee you if you are not carefull and alert,by next week at the latest, You'll be thanking folks for SPINING your head out gear (without even knowing it.)

    Timmy ade urging mary to pursue her plans and avoid distractions .
    There is no "crusade" against MIGS. In fact, several of us were pretty positive about the whole thing in the beginning. I was enthused enough to agree to barter my services for a free ride. But even that proved to be too expensive in terms of credibility and peace of mind, so I left.

    Almost no one posts opinions about MIGS anymore; the facts themselves are depressing enough.

    Finally, if the discussion about MIGS is "distracting," imagine actually trying to pursue one of their degrees. No, people should find out all they know about any program before enrolling. But normally there isn't this much to find out!

    BTW, Mary e-mailed me. There is a distinct possibility she is a sincere seeker of a DL doctoral program. Without getting into details, she spoke with the same Florida official that I did regarding MIGS and got the same negative reaction.

    My advice to Mary: be very sure the money, effort, and (especially) the hassles of enrolling in a MIGS program will result in a useable Ph.D. After doing free work for them for a year, I could not.

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    Originally posted by davidf:
    Have you checked the actual site for CEU and the direct link to the distance learning program? ,with their listing in the UNESCO handbook, they are GAAP.

    There is no doubt the CEU meets GAAP. It is well-established and does what it does well. But one thing it doesn't do is offer doctorates, whether in psychology or in any other discipline. Only MIGS does that through its arrangement with the CEU.

    Granted the Florida site is a bit messy, all my communiction has gone through the Monterrey campus.


    Really? When I wanted to work with a member of the CEU campus, Bruce Forman REFUSED TO LET THIS HAPPEN. It was soooo suspcicious and one of the two reasons I left. (The other was the illegal and underhanded Florida licensing situation. But these two were just the final straws in a big pile.)


    m interested in a PhD in Psychology ,and am impressed with the faculty. I have not found a RA school that is as reasonably priced and meets the requirements for licensure as a psychologist in California and also eligible for membership in the APA,(non RA PhD's are not eligible for membership even if licensed.

    There is considerable doubt as to whether or not a Ph.D. earned in this fashion will be recognized as such. As for licensure, your statement is a huge leap, since even MIGS states that the degree program is not designed for licensure.

    I, too, am quite dubious regarding all of this activity regarding MIGS. Another reason for adding some front-end identity security around here.

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    Rich You said, "I, too, am quite dubious regarding all of this activity regarding MIGS. Another reason for adding some front-end identity security around here."

    Should we will then take this as yet another proof that this forum is not interested in anything that is out of tune with the major players thinking.? Secondly Rich you keep talking about CEU having no prior experience in handling doctoral work .Ok valid observation, again a quality issue and not illegality. Thirdly there are bunch of RA schools here in the US that are in the same class, good example will be Toro international U.
    I can tell you as a matter of fact that back in New York in the 80's if you are a student in Toro College you dare not mention it outside, because folks will look at you as a left over, That was how badly rated the school was. Infact other more expensive schools like Hofstra University in particular was seen as a playground for Very Rich White Kids.
    Others Like Long island U, Pace U & New York institute of Technology were in worst condition than Rodney Dangerfield. Infact yours truly left New York Tech. grads School for this reason. But today, all these schools are doing much better; they've gone into big and better things. My point as peter French pointed out is simple, MIGS did not hit the ground running as expected, but you 'ill expect huddles in things of this nature (at the early stage) they are still new, they are still making corrections. and regarding the Florida issue well maybe you or someone else can point out the part of Florida's law that makes it illegal for a foreign University to operate an Administrative office therein.

    I too spoke with some folks in Migs, and they told me that they are not interested in running any University campus/program out of Florida (at least not anymore). But instead they said they only need an admin. Office to help their US based students. This is not illegal as far as I know. If it is, I like to know. Because inspite of all said about MIGS, it is still on my own short list of possibilities and I am still looking around. Finally I like to thank you and all especially Russel & Ike for some helpful information offered me.

    Timmy Ade who have nothing to do with MIGS yet
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