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    Post MIGS: How many students are attending this school?

    Does anyone know the actual number of students attending this program? Just curious.

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    When Chip and I asked chancellor Armando Arias, at our meeting a few months ago, the answer was "Fewer than 20," as I recall. I believe he said it was something like half Mexican, 1/4 American, and 1/4 rest-of-world.

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    Originally posted by John Bear:
    When Chip and I asked chancellor Armando Arias, at our meeting a few months ago, the answer was "Fewer than 20," as I recall. I believe he said it was something like half Mexican, 1/4 American, and 1/4 rest-of-world.

    This must qualify MIGS for the Guinness "Student to Lawsuit Ratio" World Record.

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    The issue is perplexing ,Dr.Bear, that a school such as MIGS, which meets GAAP criteria and is deemed equivalent to U.S., RA institutions,is having so much difficulty in presenting itself in a credible manner to the public.

    Is this a lack of organizational savvy or merely a blaise attitude with no guiding direction? There is no doubt that if marketed appropriately, this school would be a contender, especially when considering that there is absolutely no residency requirement.

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    Originally posted by John Bear:
    When Chip and I asked chancellor Armando Arias, at our meeting a few months ago, the answer was "Fewer than 20," as I recall. I believe he said it was something like half Mexican, 1/4 American, and 1/4 rest-of-world.
    It would certainly be interesting to have Armando's response to the same inquiry today, especially since MIGS' advertising has been dropped from Sheila's "prestigious" web sites, including freeresearch.com and sexiest.org.

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    Originally posted by Sam:
    The issue is perplexing ,Dr.Bear, that a school such as MIGS, which meets GAAP criteria and is deemed equivalent to U.S., RA institutions,is having so much difficulty in presenting itself in a credible manner to the public.
    The issue gets less perplexing when you realize that MIGS is * not * deemed equivalent to US RA, and from all indications MIGS will be lucky not to get a permanent reputation with the equivalency of an average degree mill. (For more on this topic, I recommend reading "The Dayson Evaluation" at Steve's lawsuit site http://angelfire.com/pa4/levicoff )

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    Let me clarify the issue. According to the International Division of the AACRAO,as of last week, MIGS is considered a recognized educational institution on par with RA schools from the U.S.. Personally, I am not taking a position since I am only interested in the facts, not personal feelings towards the school or its players. If AACRAO holds this position, which is based on the school's mexican accreditation, than I would think it would be difficult to term this school a diploma mill without a substantiated basis.


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    Originally posted by Sam:
    The issue is perplexing ,Dr.Bear, that a school such as MIGS, which meets GAAP criteria and is deemed equivalent to U.S., RA institutions,is having so much difficulty in presenting itself in a credible manner to the public.

    Is this a lack of organizational savvy or merely a blaise attitude with no guiding direction? There is no doubt that if marketed appropriately, this school would be a contender, especially when considering that there is absolutely no residency requirement.

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    #1 reason: No full-time faculty or staff. If it were me, I would hire Rich Douglas to run it. I have no doubt that, with his abilities, he could turn it into a credible program within a relatively short period of time.

    However, that takes viewing it as an educational endeavor and not as a (solely) money-making one. I'm not sure that is going to happen. Which is a shame.


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    Came across this ad today. Don't know how long it has been posted.

    Faculty for Virtual Graduate School
    The Monterrey Institute for Graduate Studies, www.degree.com, the virtual graduate school
    of The Center of University Studies, a 30 year old Mexican University, is seeking part time faculty worldwide to work one-to-one with students in education , business and psychology .
    Requirements: Must have an appropriate PhD and either a current or recent research
    publishing record. Current or past assistant professors at preferred. It is essential that you have experience working with masters and doctoral candidates in traditional or non-traditional(preferred) settings. Must be able to work independently with students. Bi-lingual (English - Spanish) preferred but not required. Salary paid on a per student per credit basis. You can work from your current location via phone, fax, internet. Send CV and any other relevant material to Bruce Forman, VP Academic Affairs at bdforman@degree.com. All applicants will
    be seriously considered.

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    Originally posted by tcnixon:
    Came across this ad today. Don't know how long it has been posted.
    I did a Google search on Sheila a while back. One old tidbit that came back indicated that she was starting up a new school and had made a similar ad. It made it appear to me that Sheila was probably the person that started up MIGS.

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    Originally posted by tcnixon:
    Came across this ad today. Don't know how long it has been posted.

    Faculty for Virtual Graduate School
    The Monterrey Institute for Graduate Studies, www.degree.com, the virtual graduate school
    of The Center of University Studies, a 30 year old Mexican University, is seeking part time faculty worldwide to work one-to-one with students in education , business and psychology .
    Requirements: Must have an appropriate PhD and either a current or recent research
    publishing record. Current or past assistant professors at preferred. It is essential that you have experience working with masters and doctoral candidates in traditional or non-traditional(preferred) settings. Must be able to work independently with students. Bi-lingual (English - Spanish) preferred but not required. Salary paid on a per student per credit basis. You can work from your current location via phone, fax, internet. Send CV and any other relevant material to Bruce Forman, VP Academic Affairs at bdforman@degree.com. All applicants will be seriously considered.

    Tom Nixon
    This is the standard MIGS ad that Sheila ran in a number of publications including the Chronicle of Higher Education , the Virtual University Gazette, the DEOS-L Forum, and even MommysPlace.Net. Most of the ads were run during the period Novemer-December 2000. And, for those of you who read the article by Andrea Foster cited in another thread regarding persons who inquired about faculty positions only to find themselves actually listed as faculty at Preston University, I'm happy to report that Preston was not the only school that did this. I have run into a couple of cases in which MIGS did exactly the same thing, much to the surprise of some of the alleged faculty members of MIGS with whom I have spoken.

    But all that will come out at trial, of course, if the chickenshits ever decide to pursue the case they started.

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    Originally posted by Sam:
    Personally, I am not taking a position since I am only interested in the facts, not personal feelings towards the school or its players.

    I'll take your word for that, Sam. Did you read BillDayson's evaluation as I suggested? Given the objective FACTS in his analysis, can anyone really say MIGS is equivalent to US RA in any way, shape, or form? Hell, no. (Give me the name of one US RA institution that sells pre-written term papers, please.)

    If AACRAO holds this position, which is based on the school's mexican accreditation, than I would think it would be difficult to term this school a diploma mill without a substantiated basis.

    I think it's fairly obvious that mill status is far closer to the mark for MIGS than US RA for now. (But who knows? Maybe they'll clean up their act and fly right. Maybe I'll enroll there someday. Yeah, that's the ticket.)

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    Originally posted by tcnixon:

    #1 reason: No full-time faculty or staff. If it were me, I would hire Rich Douglas to run it. I have no doubt that, with his abilities, he could turn it into a credible program within a relatively short period of time.

    However, that takes viewing it as an educational endeavor and not as a (solely) money-making one. I'm not sure that is going to happen. Which is a shame.


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    Originally posted by Rich Douglas:
    Thank you, sir.

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    Hey, us National alums have to stick together!

    The truly sad part of MIGS is that it could be credible and yet some people seem to be working so hard to make sure that doesn't happen.


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    Originally posted by John Bear:
    When Chip and I asked chancellor Armando Arias, at our meeting a few months ago...
    Did you or Chip ask Dr. Arias how he manages to find time to simultaneously be a Dean and a Professor at CSU Monterey Bay , AND be President of what is in effect a new university in the process of formation a whole continent away?

    I remember that back at San Francisco State the post of Department Head was unpopular with faculty because it meant spending large amounts of time in endless meetings. I can imagine that the post of Dean is even worse.

    When you consider that CSU Monterey Bay is only a few years old and is still in the process of formation (it is just a candidate for regional accreditation), and is trying to create a bunch of innovative new interdisciplinary programs, the post of Dean of Behavioral Sciences there must be very time consuming, especially if it comes on top of a part-time teaching load.

    Now consider that this gentleman is also President of MIGS during the period in which MIGS is inventing itself from the ground up and creating entire new programs up to the doctoral level.

    Wouldn't the MIGS Presidency be a full time job? Wouldn't one expect the President of MIGS to undertake his duties hands-on, in-person, and not from three thousand miles away?

    If Dr. Arias had resigned from CSU Monterey Bay to take up his new post, I would understand. But this part-time distance-Presidency raises questions. I am wondering how it is possible to create an entirely new distance education university in only a few hours a week by phone. He must delegate a hell of a lot of the decision making to others.




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    Originally posted by tcnixon:
    The truly sad part of MIGS is that it could be credible and yet some people seem to be working so hard to make sure that doesn't happen.

    Are you referring to Sheila and Enrique, Tom? Surely those two have done more damage to MIGS than anyone else.


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