+ Reply to Thread
Results 1 to 13 of 13
  1. #1
    Bill Huffman is offline Registered User
    Join Date
    Feb 2001
    Location
    San Diego, CA, USA
    Posts
    4,394

    Talking MIGS Readers - Quick Action May Be Required

    Those of you that have been following the MIGS story may be interested in the latest letter sent to MIGS by Dr. Steve Levicoff. He's offered to them to take down his web site so I thought I'd hurry and post this. There's a chance that MIGS may have realized their blunder and will accept Steve's offer. Hurry in case MIGS comes to their senses and you miss a most delightful letter from the N&T Steve.
    http://www.angelfire.com/pa4/levicoff/email.htm

    Have fun,

    ------------------
    Bill Huffman, bhuffma1@san.rr.com

  2. #2
    H. Piper is offline member
    Join Date
    Feb 2001
    Location
    Orlando, MA Canada
    Posts
    144

    Lightbulb

    Bill, there is another possible reason for quick action. I have watched and participated in lawsuits over free speech issues, and one of the plaintiff's potential actions is to move for a TRO (Temporary Restraining Order) to keep Steve's site from being seen while the legal process slowly unravels.

    Whether Steve is fighting a battle over First Amendment issues or whether he just doesn't like Rich and calls MIGS a degree mill for spite (frankly, I think the main reason he calls MIGS a degree mill is because they are), freedom of speech *IS* a major issue in this case. And because of that...

    Even though Steve has neither asked me nor given me permission to do so, I have chosen to mirror his lawsuit site, which can be seen at:
    http://migzigs.tripod.com

    This site and the other mirrors I have set up in reserve will come down as soon as this lawsuit against Steve for expressing verifiable facts and protected opinions has been dropped.


    ------------------
    H. Piper
    http://harcourtbites.tripod.com

  3. #3
    Bill Huffman is offline Registered User
    Join Date
    Feb 2001
    Location
    San Diego, CA, USA
    Posts
    4,394

    Post

    Originally posted by H. Piper:
    Great idea, I'll make a copy also.


  4. #4
    DWCox is offline member
    Join Date
    Feb 2001
    Location
    Nashville, TN
    Posts
    319

    Post

    And you people can sleep at night?

    This behavior you're engaged in is no different than the destructions attempts directed at Dr. Bear on AED. Let Steve fight his fight and be done with it. Don't forget Dr. Steve sports himself as a DL expert which comes with some respective prudent behavior.

    I'm going to bed now. Hope you're able to sleep also.

    Wes


    Originally posted by Bill Huffman:
    Great idea, I'll make a copy also.


  5. #5
    H. Piper is offline member
    Join Date
    Feb 2001
    Location
    Orlando, MA Canada
    Posts
    144

    Cool

    Originally posted by DWCox:

    [B} This behavior you're engaged in is no different than the destructions attempts directed at Dr. Bear on AED. [/B]

    I'd say it's no different from the attempts made to help Dr. Bear by uncovering the identity of factwatcher, creating a new forum to escape the spam attack, etc., that several folks engaged in.

    Now put on your blinders and go to sleep, DWCox.

  6. #6
    DWCox is offline member
    Join Date
    Feb 2001
    Location
    Nashville, TN
    Posts
    319

    Post



    This behavior you're engaged in is no different than the destruction attempts directed at Dr. Bear on AED. Let Steve fight his fight and be done with it. Don't forget Dr. Steve sports himself as a DL expert which comes with some respective prudent behavior.


    I am referring to Steve's web site being copied in an attempt to create greater exposure.

    I am a fan of Dr. Bear's and can't see the comparison you're making here.

    Wes

    [/B][/QUOTE]


  7. #7
    vpacheco is offline Registered User
    Join Date
    Feb 2001
    Location
    Caldwell, Idaho, USA
    Posts
    15

    Post

    Greater Exposure would equal to Greater Punitive Damage.

    Victor
    "The great tragedy of Science is the slaying of a beautiful hypothesis by an ugly fact." Thomas Henry Huxley

  8. Advertisement

  9. #8
    Guest

    Post

    I just finished reading all of the written exchanges between Steve and Enrique. I gotta admit that this is Steve doing what Steve does best, and at his best!! Definitely great entertainment, and Steve's position seems clearly to be backed up by facts (e.g., MIGS claiming that John Bear was on faculty, a known degree mill and accreditation mill tactic used by APICS and others). To use vernacular that I am familiar with 'Steve has taken the piss out of MIGS and its cronies' (no pun intended).
    Cheers,
    Earon


    Originally posted by Bill Huffman:
    Those of you that have been following the MIGS story may be interested in the latest letter sent to MIGS by Dr. Steve Levicoff. He's offered to them to take down his web site so I thought I'd hurry and post this. There's a chance that MIGS may have realized their blunder and will accept Steve's offer. Hurry in case MIGS comes to their senses and you miss a most delightful letter from the N&T Steve.
    http://www.angelfire.com/pa4/levicoff/email.htm

    Have fun,


  10. #9
    Bill Huffman is offline Registered User
    Join Date
    Feb 2001
    Location
    San Diego, CA, USA
    Posts
    4,394

    Post

    Originally posted by vpacheco:
    Greater Exposure would equal to Greater Punitive Damage.
    Victor
    All that has happened is that Steve has given his opinion. The truth and opinion is protected by freedom of speech. There are no punitive damages for giving one's opinion or telling the truth in a libel case.

    In freedom of speech cases it is sometimes the best option to keep the truth in the public eye. For example, a few years ago there was a website put up giving facts on some heavy handed and close to illegal tactics being done by the Church of Scientology. The church had big bucks and vigorously pursued attempts to cover up the truth by filing libel cases. Their libel cases were just as bogus as the MIGS' case. What happened is that as soon as the churched squelched the web site at one location it would pop up someplace else. Freedom of speech and the truth won out in the end.

    I don't believe there's anything false on Steve's website. I believe that MIGS has decided to try and squelch Steve's right to freedom of speech simply because MIGS doesn't like what Steve was saying. If MIGS makes a legal move to try and squelch the truth presented by Steve's website then I for one am willing to do my small part to protect my right to freedom of speech as well as Steve's.

  11. #10
    vpacheco is offline Registered User
    Join Date
    Feb 2001
    Location
    Caldwell, Idaho, USA
    Posts
    15

    Post

    Would you agree that Freedom of Speech is limited? I am not a MIGS supporter; however, I want to be a referee if I may.

    Victor
    "Any container that leaks eventually will be emptied" - Financial Exhaustion Sources
    "The great tragedy of Science is the slaying of a beautiful hypothesis by an ugly fact." Thomas Henry Huxley

  12. #11
    H. Piper is offline member
    Join Date
    Feb 2001
    Location
    Orlando, MA Canada
    Posts
    144

    Exclamation

    Originally posted by vpacheco:
    Would you agree that Freedom of Speech is limited?
    Not when it comes to expressing facts or opinions, no. If Steve was saying that MIGS is selling babies, dealing drugs, or some other bogus nonsensical claim (a la factwatcher), I would not hesitate to condemn that foolishness. But Steve has, as far as I can tell, told either the TRUTH or his OPINION, and that is our most cherished (if not the most frequently threatened) right in the USA.

  13. #12
    vpacheco is offline Registered User
    Join Date
    Feb 2001
    Location
    Caldwell, Idaho, USA
    Posts
    15

    Post

    "But Steve has, as far as I can tell, told either the TRUTH or his OPINION"

    Freedom of Speech protects from to the Truth, not Opinion. That is why it refers to as limited.

    Victor

    "The great tragedy of Science is the slaying of a beautiful hypothesis by an ugly fact." Thomas Henry Huxley

  14. #13
    Bill Huffman is offline Registered User
    Join Date
    Feb 2001
    Location
    San Diego, CA, USA
    Posts
    4,394

    Post

    Originally posted by vpacheco:
    "But Steve has, as far as I can tell, told either the TRUTH or his OPINION"

    Freedom of Speech protects from to the Truth, not Opinion. That is why it refers to as limited.
    If an opinion is given honestly then by definition that is the truth.

    However, you're correct that freedom of speech is limited. It is primarily limited by the truth. If you tell a derogatory lie about someone that is libel/slander and is not protected as freedom of speech. Another classic example of unprotected speech is yelling "FIRE!" in a crowded theater when there is no fire. Freedom of speech can also be restricted by contract. For example, frequently in lawsuit settlements the details will by private. Another example is a gag order by the court that prevents the different sides talking about the case.

    Now in some areas of the world it doesn't work this way. The USA has very strong freedom of speech laws. Other people aren't so lucky for example, I suspect that in Iraq you would not be protected by truth or opinion if you said negative things about Sadam. Those kind of laws are generally written as laws against treason.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts




1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15