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    Feds Hire Vets

    Has anyone else visited this website? It seems like a minimalist attempt to attract veterans to apply for federal employment. I have to say that I am not impressed by their efforts (or lack there of) to put veterans into jobs with the federal government.

    I guess I expected more than a minimalist website offering nothing truly beneficial . . .
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    This is the first time I have heard off it.

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    Veterans have a significant advantage when applying for federal positions in the government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sauron View Post
    Veterans have a significant advantage when applying for federal positions in the government.
    Do tell, cause I'm curious to see how?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NorCal View Post
    Do tell, cause I'm curious to see how?
    I would have to side with NorCal on this one. It may appear as if Veterans do but I honestly don't think that's the case. I have lost count how many of my friends (many of them being well qualified) have gotten "passed over" for jobs within the federal and state governments. "Veterans preference" is a helpful thing but I would venture to say it is no where near as significant as most people come to think.
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    My experience may be tainted since I work at VA in DC but Veterans are able to find federal employment if they have the appropriate KSAs, background, education and experience. Of course if one does not qualify for a job they should not get it and being an incumbent for the role such as currently working as a contractor in the position does not hurt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorCal View Post
    Has anyone else visited this website? It seems like a minimalist attempt to attract veterans to apply for federal employment. I have to say that I am not impressed by their efforts (or lack there of) to put veterans into jobs with the federal government.

    I guess I expected more than a minimalist website offering nothing truly beneficial . . .
    I will say this. I recently brought up issues about vet jobs being done by non vets for the State Agency I work for. I got the feds involved, and several higher up management types got their hand severly slapped. Talk about stirring up the pot! I am a Job Steward, which means I had to put the finger on my own very higher up bosses! Oh well, too bad for them. They don't have to love me.

    Since I come from a very pro military family, I take these issues very seriously. When my dad came back from Germany many years ago, he was treated like was asking for hand outs by trying to use some of his vet schooling benefits. He gave up and paid as he went. I had three uncles that came back from Korea, same thing. Not cool after serving our country. Vets deserve these benefits. Vet preference needs to be taken seriously, and DOL Fed vet funded jobs needed to be filled by VETS only (vet jobs funded specifically for vets only). Agencies sometimes play fast and loose, and Management thinks if they get away with it, or nobody says anything, it is ok. They then think it can become their policy. WRONG.

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    I guess my the biggest issue I see with federal employment, is that I've sent out numerous applications I've sent out over the years with several federal agencies, and I never even got a rejection letter, let alone phone call for an interview. Everything I submit seems to fall off into obscurity.

    The way veterans preference is sold to veterans, it seems like a nice benefit. However, the federal government seems to large and too loose to truly track the veterans who apply and give them any serious consideration. I have applied to local government positions and got far better results in regards to veterans preference, or just communication overall.

    I'm always curious to hear peoples experience with federal employment, because I know several veterans and nobody I know has had much luck and they all seem qualified. It appears that the federal government likes to develop websites dedicated to helping veterans find jobs, but their attempts seem more like a public relations move than a genuine effort.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NorCal View Post
    I guess my the biggest issue I see with federal employment, is that I've sent out numerous applications I've sent out over the years with several federal agencies, and I never even got a rejection letter, let alone phone call for an interview. Everything I submit seems to fall off into obscurity.
    Your experience applying for federal employment is typical. With hundreds to thousands of applications for many individual job openings, I assume that the sheer volume of job applicants is so large that most agencies' human resources (called Human Capital, in the federal government) personnel are too busy to keep individual applicants informed. It's no excuse, but it does seem to be the situation.

    As a federal employee who has hired more than a dozen new employees in the last few years, I will tell you that it is extremely difficult for us not to hire a veteran. The veteran's preference is so overwhelming that I occasionally see less qualified veterans hired over more qualified non-veterans who have applied for the same position. I can only think of one non-veteran we've hired in the past few years, not including employee transfers. I assume that managers at other federal agencies share these experiences.

    I'm an Army National Guard veteran from before 9/11, but wasn't eligible for veteran's preference points when I was hired. I don't know if the requirements are the same, but I believe I needed three years of active duty time, a full career of reserve duty, combat duty, or to be disabled to receive preference. These days, nearly everyone in the military seems to be eligible (rightfully so) because so many have served tours in combat zones. It is possible that the number of federal job applicants with veteran's preference is much larger than before, which makes it challenging even for fellow vets to get hired by the federal government.

    Civilian Federal service is especially attractive to veterans because you can apply your years of military service towards retirement and government employment allows vets to continue to serve their country and the American people, albeit in a different way. The importance of the mission can be so significant and meaningful, especially when compared to many for-profit corporate jobs. I think this appeals to a lot of people I work with, especially veterans. This might be why the caliber of job applicants for federal jobs is typically much higher than the applicant pool for comparable jobs at the state and local level. At least in my organization, even your routine decisions may have a significant impact nationwide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve King View Post
    Your experience applying for federal employment is typical. With hundreds to thousands of applications for many individual job openings, I assume that the sheer volume of job applicants is so large that most agencies' human resources (called Human Capital, in the federal government) personnel are too busy to keep individual applicants informed. It's no excuse
    I understand the challenge, but with that being said, how do we move past it? I'd love to find my way into a federal job, being that I already have 7.5 years of government service towards retirement. But if I keep applying and having my applications fall off into obscurity, what is the point?

    I wonder if Director John Berry of the US Office of Personnel Management will ever get the message . . .
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    As a former US President used to say, "I feel your pain." Those of us you have been through the federal hiring process are all too familiar with its shortcomings. I submitted many applications in the years before I was finally hired and frequently never received a response. Things aren't much better for federal hiring managers who sometimes receive less than ideal candidates on the "cert list" of qualified job applicants. I, too, hope that Mr. Berry will be able to improve the federal hiring process. I've noticed some improvements recently.

    For other users on this board who might be interested in applying for federal jobs, the USAjobs website (USAJOBS - The Federal Government’s Official Jobs Site) is the place to go to see what jobs are open. USAjobs lists the vast majority of, but not all, current job openings. People can save a copy of their resume on the website and simply hit "apply" when they find an opening for which they wish to apply. OPM is working with federal agencies to eliminate separate "narrative statements" for individual KSAs. Instead, hiring managers are supposed to review resumes and, if necessary, applicant questionnaires in order to determine which applicants should be selected for an interview.

    One common misconception that I often hear is that job applicants need to have a security clearance in order to apply for federal jobs that require a security clearance. This is not true for federal jobs (although, it is frequently true for federal contractor jobs). The Federal Government will conduct a background investigation and grant or deny a security clearance once someone is provisionally offered a job that requires a security clearance.
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    This is another interesting resource for veterans as well:

    G.I. Jobs - 2012 Top 100 Military Friendly Employers List
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    I too work in D.C for the feds!! But it took me over a year and a half to find federal employment, well ANY employment. I had to move across the country to find work. After all the years in the service, experience, and education I thought that I was a shoe in once the war was over for me, lol - ahh no! I do believe that in no small part that my extended unemployment was due to where I was living at the time. Las Vegas had the worst employment outlook in the nation with California coming in a VERY close second.

    Due to my disability I went through the VA VOC REHAB program. I also had program management, investigative, analytic, active security clearance, and extensive researching in my background. This was in addition to being a DAV, and despite 100's of USAJOB apps I got NO calls from Uncle Sam. When it was clear that this was not going to work, we picked up and moved to Northern VA. Very soon after getting here I got hired by the government WITHOUT an interview. This is how it went down!! I got an EMAILl asking if I want the job as a VRA appointment, and gave me a proposed respose time and proposed start date had I accepted. When they asked I said hell yes. To tell you the truth, I thought that the HR CPAC email was a scam, boy was I wrong. :)

    Soon after relocating, and being hired with the government, I started getting calls for high paying contractor positions looking for my expertise and experience, however I decided to say working for the feds. I like the security that the feds provide. I just finished my 3.5 month training last month and I am out there making it happen.

    So, does veteran's preference work, yes. However, IMHO I believe that it is where one lives that will do the trick. If you have to move due to unemployment MOVE! It was hard to relocate but we did it, and look at it as just another adventure in our lives...

    Like Sauron, I may have a tainted view of this situation BUT I do know how if feels to be out in the cold without a job for a very Loooong time, Vet or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by recruiting View Post
    Soon after relocating, and being hired with the government, I started getting calls for high paying contractor positions looking for my expertise and experience, however I decided to say working for the feds. I like the security that the feds provide. I just finished my 3.5 month training last month and I am out there making it happen.

    Good Luck
    That's great news Recruiting. Smart choice deciding on government work over private industry work. You will have MUCH more job security.

    I work for a State Agency, and it has worked well for me, through thick and thin.

    Take it easy,

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorCal View Post
    This is another interesting resource for veterans as well:

    G.I. Jobs - 2012 Top 100 Military Friendly Employers List
    It is interesting...."Booz Allen Hamilton" did not even look at my resume.
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    I have found in my experience that if you have a 10 to 30 percent or higher disability rating, your chances are better than one with only a 5 percent rating. I know some veterans with a 5 percent rating that applied for the same previous federal government position they held 3 years before. They were told that they were qualified but not selected due to not having a high enough rating. Getting a bachelors or master’s degree definitely gives you other options though.
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