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    The Military and a Doctorate Level Degree

    Good morning all.

    I am posting as I was told a rumor a few days ago with regards to military members and Doctorate level degrees. Now, as a caveat, let me state that I have not yet begun my MBA program so this is far in the future for me but I wanted to see what info is out there. Basically I was told that due to being Active Duty military, once I finish my Masters Programs that there are a number of Doctorate level programs that I would be able to attend for little to no money because of my military status. Is this true/do you know anything about this? I have been unable to find any information with this regard but that does not mean much as the internet is a expansive place haha.

    I plan to pursue a DBA once my MBA is completed. Just have to find money for it as I will exaust my Post 911 GI bill with whats left of my Bachelors program and my Masters program.

    Thanks in advance for any information/insight you can give.
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    Yes, it is possible to earn a doctorate through the military at no cost to you. There are several institutions operated by the government that were created for service members. Being admitted into a degree program is the hard part.

    A few examples...

    The Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences
    The Air Force Institute of Technology
    Naval Postgraduate School
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    I have a Selected LtCol in the Army in my class. He is attending Capella University 's Ph.D in Organization & Management for FREE. I am not sure if he is using the Post 9/11 GI Bill; however, he has mentioned that he does not pay anything out of his pocket except textbooks.

    I would recommend you to attend any school that takes only tuition assistance without touching your Post 9/11 GI Bill. You should save your GI Bill for your Doctorate. There are plenty of schools give active duty discount. For example, Liberty University charges Active Duty only $250.00 per credit for Graduate level. I earned my Bachelor from Troy University within 24 months while on active duty, and I spent only $2,000.00 from my pocket for textbooks.

    Another thing I would recommend you to stay away from Ashford University . I have nothing to against it except the guerrilla admission.
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    Most of the service schools that provide free Masters and Doctoral level degrees are for officers. Like the National Defense University, Naval Postgraduate School, Naval War College, Air University, US Army War College, National Defense Intelligence College, and more . There are exceptions (which I'm sure you can be one of them) but more than likely enlisted are not going to these schools.

    I am not sure why the military would pay for your DBA. Perhaps they might see fit to get you a degree in Military History , Political Science , International Relations or even a STEM degree, but not a business degree. Most of the services have programs where an officer goes TDY to school to earn a Masters degree. I imagine that the number of people earning PhD's on our uncles dime are going to be high level folks that already have a ton of skills to offer and the government sees a long term investment in that person paying off.

    You going officer or staying enlisted? Staying Navy strong or crossing over to another branch? I saw that the Air Force is getting rid of 10,500 of its officers. I imagine the Navy will drawn down a bit too.

    Good luck to you.
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    The U.S. Army War College does not offer doctorial degrees, but do offer the Master of Strategic Studies Degree.

    The National Defense Intelligence College (DIA) highest degree offering is the Master of Science of Strategic Intelligence.

    The Naval War College degree offering is Master of Arts Degree in National Security and Strategic Studies.

    The Air University has been working with Congress for approval to offer the doctorate of philosophy in strategic studies; I’m unsure whether or not the PhD is yet available.

    National defense University: Masters level only

    U.S. Army Command & General Staff College: Master of Military Arts and Science (MMAS).

    Naval Postgraduate School: Masters (several), PhD and EngD /DEng
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    Marine Corps University (Quantico, VA):

    Marine Corps Command and Staff College: Master of Military Studies
    Marine Corps War College: Master of Strategic Studies
    School of Advanced Warfighting: Master of Operational Studies
    School of MAGTF Logistics: MBA in partnership with Syracuse University
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    I love these school names.

    Makes me want to start up a school called "Kick Yo Ass University School of Curb Stomping"

    Of course we'd only offer culinary courses.
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    I plan to pick up a commissioning in the Navy as either a Health Care Administration Officer or an Administrative/Human Resources Officer. This is in my 6 year plan so not too soon but it is coming. That is why I am completing my undergrad and grad now so that I have those accomplished to pad out my application.
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    I'm pretty sure the Army paid for General Petraeus' PhD from Princeton, but in exchange he had to commit to serve additional years. Also, some DoD agencies have sabbatical programs, but they are very hard to get in the current budget climate.
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    I read somewhere that every senior member of Patraeus' staff when he was commander in Iraq had a doctoral degree of some kind.

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    From The Seattle Times
    "Petraeus' guys"

    “Members of the staff assembled by Lt. Gen. David Petraeus, who takes command of U.S. forces in Iraq today:

    Col. Michael Meese, a Princeton PhD economist and son of former U.S. Attorney General Edwin Meese, will coordinate security and reconstruction efforts.

    Lt. Col. David Kilcullen, an Australian army officer with a Ph.D. in anthropology who studied Islamic extremism in Indonesia, will be chief adviser on counterinsurgency operations

    Col. Peter Mansoor, who received a Ph.D. at Ohio State for a dissertation on how Army infantry divisions were developed during World War II, will be Petraeus' executive officer in Baghdad.

    Col. H.R. McMaster's 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment in northwestern Iraq provided one of the few bright spots for the U.S. military in Iraq by taking back the city of Tall Afar from an insurgent group.

    Lt. Col. Douglas Ollivant, who holds a political-science Ph.D. on Thomas Jefferson, caught Petraeus' attention with an essay scorning the U.S. military's reliance on big "forward operating bases" in Iraq.

    Ahmed Hashim, who holds a Ph.D. from MIT and teaches at the Naval War College, wrote a book criticizing the U.S. military operation in Iraq and advocated partitioning the country along ethnic and sectarian lines.”

    The Washington Post
    Nation & World | Petraeus' Iraq staff armed with lots of Ph.D.s | Seattle Times Newspaper
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    General Petraeus entered into a program that sent him to earn his PHD in exchange for teaching at West point. Different services do different programs at different times. I believe the navy is trying out allowing officers to go get their PHD and then become life long professors at NA, as opposed to having most of the PHD's being Civ and getting further instruction from Naval officers who are doing a tour and might have only a masters.
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    Joining with an existing Doctorate, prior USAF service, and being a SDV

    This thread appears to be what I am interested in for a future examination.

    Specifically, I had 7 years prior-service as a USAF junior enlisted member and an Associates and Bachelor Degree.

    I left with an Honorary Discharge, gained 2 Masters degrees and a Doctorate in Management, focusing on Organizational Development & Change.
    All of my degrees are from accredited universities.
    I was re-evaluated as a 60% service-disabled veteran (although I am fully mobile) and all of the physical illnesses I have are fully controllable with medication.
    I am also nearly 45 years old.

    As you can see, there are solid pros and cons to the consideration of rejoining, with my prior service, multiple degrees, and expanded knowledge.

    I was third-generation military here in the US, and would be more than willing to try and rejoin as a Doctor if possible, specifically focusing on Management improvement techniques, but haven't found much information on the feasibility of this idea (good or bad).

    Anyone have any ideas or resources I can check to examine the existing policies? Thanks.

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    This is not an official source, so you would want to check at the websites of the respective services:
    Military Entrance Requirements - Today's Military

    Usually, they allow you to subtract time already served from your current age.
    So, 45 - 7 = 38.

    These are the ones that you appear to qualify for, at first glance.
    Air Force Guard - 39
    Coast Guard Reserve - 39
    Navy Reserve - 39
    Army Reserve - 41
    Army Active Duty - 41

    I've ordered these by personal preference. Having served in the Army, and having worked alongside most of these others. The only one that I haven't really worked around is the Coast Guard.

    I hope that this information helps you.

    I really don't have a good idea on what to tell you about the disability, as I'm not sure on the medical entrance requirements, and/or how willing they are to give waivers.

    Have you considered working as a civilian alongside the military? That might be a more appropriate role for you.

    Do you mean medical doctor?

    Considering that you've done Air Force, the only way you should do anything with the Army is if you work with the medical field, as they're the most laid back part I've encountered yet. Oh wait, all of the medical support is falling under the Defense Health Agency (DHA) now. (How could I forget that, considering that I work in DHA?!)

    Look for gigs with the Defense Health Agency (DHA).

    Hope this helps!
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    Quote Originally Posted by instant000 View Post
    This is not an official source, so you would want to check at the websites of the respective services:
    Military Entrance Requirements - Today's Military

    Usually, they allow you to subtract time already served from your current age.
    So, 45 - 7 = 38.

    These are the ones that you appear to qualify for, at first glance.
    Air Force Guard - 39
    Coast Guard Reserve - 39
    Navy Reserve - 39
    Army Reserve - 41
    Army Active Duty - 41

    I've ordered these by personal preference. Having served in the Army, and having worked alongside most of these others. The only one that I haven't really worked around is the Coast Guard.

    I hope that this information helps you.

    I really don't have a good idea on what to tell you about the disability, as I'm not sure on the medical entrance requirements, and/or how willing they are to give waivers.

    Have you considered working as a civilian alongside the military? That might be a more appropriate role for you.

    Do you mean medical doctor?

    Considering that you've done Air Force, the only way you should do anything with the Army is if you work with the medical field, as they're the most laid back part I've encountered yet. Oh wait, all of the medical support is falling under the Defense Health Agency (DHA) now. (How could I forget that, considering that I work in DHA?!)

    Look for gigs with the Defense Health Agency (DHA).

    Hope this helps!

    I heard some branches were offering age waivers for certain high demand professions like Physician, Nurse , Dentist, Nurse Practitioner, other health fields, etc. I heard there was a program in the US Army that offered a two year active duty stint as long as one was less than age 60.

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