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    Quote Originally Posted by Ted Heiks View Post
    If my niece's boyfriend goes with the option of seeking employment as a civil engineer as a civilian employee of the Department of Defense, as suggested upthread, does anybody know what education benefits that carries with it?
    Ted,

    Here is the link to the Air Force Personnel Center Civil Engineer civilian website:
    http://www.afpc.randolph.af.mil/afci...ilengineer.asp

    The Air Force typically sends its military and civilian civil engineers to the AFIT Civil Engineer School http://www.afit.edu/cess/ for continuing education and to AFIT http://www.afit.edu/en/academicprogr...sters-doctoral and civilian institutions https://www.afit.edu/cip/ for graduate engineering degrees.

    Also, the Air Force sends some of their engineers to the NPS http://www.nps.edu/Academics/Schools/GSEAS/index.html for graduate engineering degrees.

    As you can tell, I’m a bit biased. Aim High.
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    Side note - I got my AA from UoP through their Associate of Arts Degree Through Credit Recognition, which never gets much focus here and is probably not well known. They took my military experience, past classes, and CLEPs. I was required to take only one UoP class and pay a $550 fee (covers the class, review of transcripts, and graduation fee) and I earned my AA. It is almost like the Big 3 but only for an AA and only for military.

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    "The Naval Postgraduate School offers a number of programs where civilians, who are U.S. citizens, are supported with a full salary, generous government benefits, and full tuition waiver while working towards a Master’s or Doctoral Degree. Upon degree completion these students are required to fulfill an obligated service commitment with the Defense Department or in some programs other federal agencies." Also, government civilian employees are eligible for admission.

    http://www.nps.edu/Academics/Admissi...ams/Index.html

    The NPS offers several engineering master degrees either in residence or via DL.

    DL: http://www.nps.edu/DL/Degree_Progs/index.html

    Traditional: http://www.nps.edu/Academics/Schools...egreeProg.html

    A defense-focused MBA and MSN program is also available:

    Resident MBA: http://www.nps.edu/Academics/Schools...ident/mba.html

    MSM: http://www.nps.edu/Academics/Schools...ident/msm.html

    Non-resident EMBA: http://www.nps.edu/Academics/Schools...EMBA/EMBA.html

    MSCM:http://www.nps.edu/Academics/Schools...MSCM/MSCM.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by -kevin- View Post
    A warrant officer is not a commissioned officer and not a non commissioned officer but in between in the pecking order. Warrant officers are not required to have a degree and usually fill specific occupational niches.

    The Air Force did away with warrant officers many years ago. The Marines and the Army still retain these grades. Pay wise the warrant is paid more than an enlisted but less than a commisioned officer. However at the upper reaches of enlisted ranks there is little difference.

    Warrant officers are accorded a salute and courtesies by enlisted.

    In my opinion, there is no need for warrant officers if we are discussing a skill or responsibility issue, but having these grades does allow for monetary and non monetary benefits to the holder.

    The Marines also have Limited Duty Officers (LDOs) which provide another mechanism for promotion to the commisioned ranks.

    this may help:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warrant...(United_States)

    I have to speak up here. A Warrant Officer is someone who deserves and gets the respect of others (much more so than a Commissioned Officer who just joined after college). Of course everyone must show commissioned officers respect; which they should. However Warrant Officers get respect because others actually respect them because they earned their position. A Warrant Officer is someone with experience and knowledge that an incomming Commissioned Officer would not have (IMHO).

    Becoming a Warrant Officer or being selected for OCS is a great honor and is (IMO) much harder to achieve than coming into the service as an Officer after graduating from college.

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    Credentialing Opportunities On-Line (Cool)

    https://www.cool.navy.mil/index.htm

    This is a pretty cool website. It explains how Navy service members can meet civilian certification and license requirements related to their ratings, jobs, designators, and occupations. For example, if you were a Navy Supply Officer (Code 310X), this site provides information on professional certifications and advanced education for that career field. The Navy may actually pay the certification fees.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randell1234 View Post
    Side note - I got my AA from UoP through their Associate of Arts Degree Through Credit Recognition, which never gets much focus here and is probably not well known. They took my military experience, past classes, and CLEPs. I was required to take only one UoP class and pay a $550 fee (covers the class, review of transcripts, and graduation fee) and I earned my AA. It is almost like the Big 3 but only for an AA and only for military.
    Wow! That is a heck of a deal. Do they still have that program?

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    I never hear any talk about NOAA Commissioned Corps Officers.

    http://www.noaacorps.noaa.gov/recruiting/index.html
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    Ted, I will be honest...I have tried to read everything before posting, but there was a lot...so I apologize if I say something that was already said.

    If he is going to graduate with a bachelor's degree, there is no need for him to enlist. With a college degree is eligible to be a commissioned officer.

    Speaking about the AF, it would be extremely easy for him to be commissioned as a Civil Engineer . There is always a need for engineers in the USAF.

    While he is on Active Duty, the USAF officer's tuition assistance (as does every other branch of the US Military) of $250/credit hr up to $4500 a fiscal year. That basically equates to 18 credit hours a year. He will incur an active duty commitment for that; however, he will serve that commitment concurrently for his previous commitment. He could get the AF to pay off his student loans, but I am not certain how that works...the recruiter would know.

    He should be clear that he has a degree in Civil Engineering , and wants to attend OTS. Like it was said previously, he could compete for a school slot to AFIT or a civilian school to get his Master's in CE...or he could do it part-time with TA.

    I am currently serving...so let me know if you have questions or if he wants to talk to someone in the military (I am not an engineer , but a couple of my friends are).

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    Just a heads up about DANTES/CLEP/DSST Tests. I know the Navy is changing their policy for free testing. Now the first test is free, and the retest will cost.

    This is a drastic change, as they cost about 100 bucks! So now you need to definitly study. In the past im sure guys would take the test, then study.
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    Quote Originally Posted by peejcj8 View Post
    Just a heads up about DANTES/CLEP/DSST Tests. I know the Navy is changing their policy for free testing. Now the first test is free, and the retest will cost.

    This is a drastic change, as they cost about 100 bucks! So now you need to definitly study. In the past im sure guys would take the test, then study.
    The Air Force recently announced the same thing - no free retests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peejcj8 View Post
    Just a heads up about DANTES/CLEP/DSST Tests. I know the Navy is changing their policy for free testing. Now the first test is free, and the retest will cost.

    This is a drastic change, as they cost about 100 bucks! So now you need to definitly study. In the past im sure guys would take the test, then study.
    As an active duty Navy Sailor, I dont understand why they were not doing this before.

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    Also, I know University of Louisville caps credit costs at 250 per credit for Active Duty Military, and University of Incarnate Word in San Antonio, TX and Liberty University gives book vouchers to active duty military.
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    Quote Originally Posted by airtorn View Post
    The Air Force recently announced the same thing - no free retests.
    It's a DANTES thing, DoD-wide.
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    Hey guys,

    I recently applied for graduation from TESC. I am on active duty and am contemplating using my TA for the remainder of my enlistment (3 more years) on grad school. I've noticed that TA for undergrad is freaking fantastic, as most schools will reduce their tuition to the military TA cap (hey, even if they are getting paid less, that's more money that they would have made if students chose to go elsewhere because their tuition was higher than the cap!) but I was wondering if there were any master's programs that did the same?

    From my limited research it looks like I will have to come out of pocket. Anyone know any schools that are close to the TA cap?

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    Oklahoma State University seems to offer master's degrees at TA cap for military, however I'm not sure if you have to be stationed there or a resident of OK. You can always email them and ask. Good luck with your master's whatever you decide!

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    Quote Originally Posted by smokey2011 View Post
    Oklahoma State University seems to offer master's degrees at TA cap for military, however I'm not sure if you have to be stationed there or a resident of OK. You can always email them and ask. Good luck with your master's whatever you decide!
    Being stationed there or being an OK resident is not a requirement.

    This may be the best deal out there for a U.S military member that wants a MBA .
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