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    I stumbled on a pretty good link that might be of interest to our Military members;
    http://www.military.com/Careers/Educ...1,,112,00.html

    A word of advice from someone who was there and didn't do it.....get your education while Uncle Sam is either picking up the tab, or providing the time for you to do it.


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    Let me second Bruce's advice. The military picked up 75% of my Masters degree and I still have a GI Bill left to use. In addition you have schools like Touro offering free education to military after T.A. pays its share. You can't beat it. Yes , I know army people spend time in the field but even then I know a helicopter pilot who worked on his M.A. while assigned to the CAV. He even took books to NTC with him and made special arrangements with Profs. I also knew an airborne enlisted guy with a wife and two kids who did his B.A. and Masters while being in line units.

    So, take advantage of the opportunities!

    North (former NCO)

    Originally posted by Bruce:
    I stumbled on a pretty good link that might be of interest to our Military members;
    http://www.military.com/Careers/Educ...1,,112,00.html

    A word of advice from someone who was there and didn't do it.....get your education while Uncle Sam is either picking up the tab, or providing the time for you to do it.


    Bruce

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    Originally posted by North:
    Let me second Bruce's advice. The military picked up 75% of my Masters degree and I still have a GI Bill left to use. In addition you have schools like Touro offering free education to military after T.A. pays its share. You can't beat it. Yes , I know army people spend time in the field but even then I know a helicopter pilot who worked on his M.A. while assigned to the CAV. He even took books to NTC with him and made special arrangements with Profs. I also knew an airborne enlisted guy with a wife and two kids who did his B.A. and Masters while being in line units.

    So, take advantage of the opportunities!

    North (former NCO)

    I'll "third" it. I enlisted in the Air Force at 18 with a high school diploma. Using tuition assistance, I did 3 Regents degrees and became a staff seargeant by age 21. A commission and an MBA (also earned with tuition assistance) followed. Part of my doctoral studies was also funded by TA. I was able to retire from the Air Force as a captain at 36, and have spent the last 6 years building a civilian career as a corporate trainer (now with AT&T). My only real regret was not finishing the doctorate while the military was funding it. It has been a huge mountain to "re-climb" since.

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    Originally posted by Bruce:

    A word of advice from someone who was there and didn't do it.....get your education while Uncle Sam is either picking up the tab, or providing the time for you to do it.


    Bruce
    Ditto. The Army has paid for the majority of my education , including footing the entire bill (plus regular active duty pay, free books, and free school supplies to boot)for my senior year at the Joint Military Intelligence College (RA, Middle States)in Washington, DC. That's right, my job, while I was there, was to go to school. Hey, it's good work, if you can get it. I got 62 upper-level college quarter-hour credits from that gig.

    I plan to continue to use tuition assistance to pay for my masters, probably from Touro. I will, of course, tap into Touro's Military Tuition Assistance Program (MTAP), as well.

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    Originally posted by Tracy Gies:
    Ditto. The Army has paid for the majority of my education , including footing the entire bill (plus regular active duty pay, free books, and free school supplies to boot)for my senior year at the Joint Military Intelligence College (RA, Middle States)in Washington, DC. That's right, my job, while I was there, was to go to school. Hey, it's good work, if you can get it. I got 62 upper-level college quarter-hour credits from that gig.

    I plan to continue to use tuition assistance to pay for my masters, probably from Touro. I will, of course, tap into Touro's Military Tuition Assistance Program (MTAP), as well.

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    I will second everyone's comment up to this point. I was well on my way in the typical ministerial pathway. I was not able to complete my MDiv due to relocation (this is a goal later on). I have been with Touro for three semesters and absolutely love the MBA program. Since Touro has expanded it's programs to include the BSCS and undergraduate and graduate programs in I.T. - this is a great opportunity for the military folks.
    I came back after a nine year break-in-service and plan to get all I can while I'm in!

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    Posted by Tracy Gies:
    The Army has paid for my senior year at the Joint Military Intelligence College (RA, Middle States) in Washington, DC. That's right, my job, while I was there, was to go to school
    I didn't know the military had a RA college like that. I just examined it at:
    http://www.osint.org/434mid/pgip-r.html

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    Originally posted by Tracy Gies:
    That's right, my job, while I was there, was to go to school.
    Colin Powell was able to earn his MBA from George Washington University exactly that way, his assignment was to attend school. As you said, not bad work.

    BTW, Powell's autobiography has some humorous stories about going back to school as an adult, his undergrad degree was in Geology, and he had to jump through several hoops to be admitted to the MBA program. It's a great book in general, if you haven't read it yet.


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    Tracy, how close are you to finishing your B.A. ?

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    Originally posted by Tracy Gies:
    Ditto. The Army has paid for the majority of my education , including footing the entire bill (plus regular active duty pay, free books, and free school supplies to boot)for my senior year at the Joint Military Intelligence College (RA, Middle States)in Washington, DC. That's right, my job, while I was there, was to go to school. Hey, it's good work, if you can get it. I got 62 upper-level college quarter-hour credits from that gig.

    I plan to continue to use tuition assistance to pay for my masters, probably from Touro. I will, of course, tap into Touro's Military Tuition Assistance Program (MTAP), as well.

    Tracy&lt;&gt;&lt;


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    Originally posted by North:
    Tracy, how close are you to finishing your B.A. ?

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    I am done. The Faculty at Charter Oak has approved my transcript for a B.S. in General Studies. I am waiting for final approval by the board, but my advisor says that is pretty much just a formality, and that I should be good to go for graduation on November 30th.

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    Congratulations. Good luck on your Touro MBA . Remind me what rank you are again. If I remember you were in a similar position as I was (i.e. enlisted working on a graduate degree). Actually, I met a few enlisted people in my graduate courses.

    North

    Originally posted by Tracy Gies:
    I am done. The Faculty at Charter Oak has approved my transcript for a B.S. in General Studies. I am waiting for final approval by the board, but my advisor says that is pretty much just a formality, and that I should be good to go for graduation on November 30th.

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    Originally posted by me again:
    I didn't know the military had a RA college like that. I just examined it at:
    http://www.osint.org/434mid/pgip-r.html

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    I just checked out that website, and it relates mostly to the Postgraduate Intelligence Program-Reserve (PGIP-R). This is one of many programs that JMIC offers. Others include a weekend program for military personnel and Deparment of Defense civilian employees living in the D.C. area. They also have a program that is taught off-site at Fort Meade, MD. The school has been granting a Master of Science in Stratigic Intelligence Studies for several years.

    JMIC also has a relatively new Bachelors Degree Completion Program (BDCP). I was a part of the cohort that went through the pilot BDCP.

    To become a member of this cohort, one had to have been admitted into the regular Undergraduate Intelligence Program (UGIP), and have enough undergraduate credits to have senior status. There was initially no determination as to wether the students had met all the usual general education requirements.

    The hope was that the school would be approved to grant a B.S., and that as many members of the pilot program as possible would be "grandfathered" and awarded the degree. It turned out that JMIC was eventually authorized to grant the B.S. and that those pilot students who met the necessary general education requirements were also granted the degree, after the fact.

    I was not granted the degree through JMIC because I lacked credits in science and humanities. I have since earned the necessary credits through DL (Creative Writing from the University of Iowa's continuing education program, and Physical Science from Luisianna State University's Independant Studies Program). I expect to graduate soon from with a Bachelor's degree in Independant Studies from Charter Oak State College.

    JMIC did face some challenges from other RA schools in the DC area before it was lisenced to grant the B.S. Those schools took their case to the necessary officials, I suppose within the District and at Middle States. Essentially, their case boiled down to the fact that they didn't want to have a local school awarding free bachelor's degrees to area military intelligence personel (in the D.C. area, that amounts to a lot of potential students), rather than have those same students pay to attend their schools.

    JMIC eventually won the battle, because no other school in the area had a degree-granting program in strategic intelligence. And, even if they did, JMIC argued, they couldn't possibly have the same access to essential resources that JMIC did.

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    Originally posted by North:
    Congratulations. Good luck on your Touro MBA . Remind me what rank you are again. If I remember you were in a similar position as I was (i.e. enlisted working on a graduate degree). Actually, I met a few enlisted people in my graduate courses.

    North

    Thanks. I am an Army Staff Sergeant (E-6). I have been selected for promotion to Sergeant First Class (E-7), and hope to "pin on" that rank in a few months.

    I'm looking forward to starting the Touro MBA , and I'm pleased to know that Steven and others find it to be so rewarding. I had waivered for a while on wether to go with Texas Tech's on-line Master of the Arts in Technical Communications , but the alure of a free MBA proves to be too much for me to resist. I still plan to use the Touro MBA to assist me in levaraging a career change to technical writing after I retire from the Army, God willing, in about five years. The tech writing field is open enough that many different degrees are seen as good entrees into the profession. At this piont, I feel that going with the concentration in information technology management would best serve my goals.

    Now, if only the Army would offer the Advanced Non-commissioned Officers Course by DL....

    Tracy &lt;&gt;&lt;

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    I only went through BNCOC myself before deciding to get out. What a joy it was to go from being an NCO to being a trainee again. Snapping to parade rest for other NCO's and studying all of those manuals.

    Well, good luck to you. Getting out with a pension and a paid for MBA will serve you well as you start a new career.

    North

    Originally posted by Tracy Gies:

    Now, if only the Army would offer the Advanced Non-commissioned Officers Course by DL....

    Tracy &lt;&gt;&lt;


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    I wish to add my vote to Steven. King. Completed my MBA at Touro, and FINALLY started my dissertation process (ABD). Hard work? Most definitely… but worth the effort.

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    Originally posted by steven_king:
    Originally posted by Tracy Gies:
    Ditto. The Army has paid for the majority of my education , including footing the entire bill (plus regular active duty pay, free books, and free school supplies to boot)for my senior year at the Joint Military Intelligence College (RA, Middle States)in Washington, DC. That's right, my job, while I was there, was to go to school. Hey, it's good work, if you can get it. I got 62 upper-level college quarter-hour credits from that gig.

    I plan to continue to use tuition assistance to pay for my masters, probably from Touro. I will, of course, tap into Touro's Military Tuition Assistance Program (MTAP), as well.

    Tracy&lt;&gt;&lt;

    I will second everyone's comment up to this point. I was well on my way in the typical ministerial pathway. I was not able to complete my MDiv due to relocation (this is a goal later on). I have been with Touro for three semesters and absolutely love the MBA program. Since Touro has expanded it's programs to include the BSCS and undergraduate and graduate programs in I.T. - this is a great opportunity for the military folks.
    I came back after a nine year break-in-service and plan to get all I can while I'm in!

    Steven King

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    Originally posted by Tracy Gies:
    I am done. The Faculty at Charter Oak has approved my transcript for a B.S. in General Studies. I am waiting for final approval by the board, but my advisor says that is pretty much just a formality, and that I should be good to go for graduation on November 30th.
    Congratulations! Are you planning to attend graduation? I would recommend it, I originally was going to get my diploma by mail, but I ended up going to the ceremony for my father, since I was the only child to graduate college. I'm very glad that I did.


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    Originally posted by Bruce:
    Congratulations! Are you planning to attend graduation? I would recommend it, I originally was going to get my diploma by mail, but I ended up going to the ceremony for my father, since I was the only child to graduate college. I'm very glad that I did.


    Bruce


    No, I don't plan on physically attending graduation. I understand that the ceremony is simulcast on Charter Oak 's web site. I have given my family a heads up that they will also be able to watch the simulcast. I have two brothers who already have bachelor's degrees, and both of them have been working on masters.

    Nevertheless, if graduation weren't all the way up in Connecticut, I might be more eager to attend.

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    [SIZE=1][I]The fifth lesson I teach is intellectual dependency. Good people wait for a teacher to tell them what to do. It is the most important lesson, that we must wait for other people, better trained than ourselves, to make the meanings of our lives. The expert makes all the important choices; only I, the teacher, can determine what you must study, or rather, only the people who pay me can make those decisions which I then enforce...Curiosity has no important place in my work, only conformity...We've built a way of life that depends on people doing what they are told because they don't know how to tell themselves what to do. It's one of the biggest lessons I teach. [/I][/SIZE] [SIZE=1][B]--From "The Seven-Lesson School Teacher," by John Taylor Gatto, the 1991 New York State Teacher of the Year.[/B] [/SIZE]

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