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    Quote Originally Posted by Kizmet View Post
    Hmm. I'm not sure how it is possible to be a high school graduate but not be ready for college.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ted Heiks View Post
    Hmm. I'm not sure how it is possible to be a high school graduate but not be ready for college.
    Very easy, Ted.

    (1) Have the piece of paper
    (2) Lack the full complement of skills and knowledge it's supposed to represent.

    If any school awards a HS diploma to someone who really didn't achieve passing standards -- technically they may be a high school graduate, but likely they're not ready for "regular" college.

    Maybe they are ready for a college that will do the same as their high school did!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johann View Post
    Maybe they are ready for a college that will do the same as their high school did!
    How to find one:

    (1) You'll need exceptional athletic skills in a high-profile sport.
    (2) Look for a school that pays its athletics head coaches at least 30-40 times what the professors average. (Should be quite easy, these days.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johann View Post
    How to find one:

    (1) You'll need exceptional athletic skills in a high-profile sport.
    (2) Look for a school that pays its athletics head coaches at least 30-40 times what the professors average. (Should be quite easy, these days.)

    These days kids like that are identified early, as early as 8th grade, by college coaches and scouts. There's a whole industry dedicated to creating athletic resumes. Film footage, stats packages, character references, and in some cases, they even include the grades. Here's an example

    https://new.berecruited.com/

    Any kid with that kind of athletic talent is being groomed for college sports and the only ones who don't get a shot are either injured, on drugs or in jail.
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    Now if they'd only groom academic talent that early - for college and a post-grad shot at becoming Major League Professors, etc.!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johann View Post
    Now if they'd only groom academic talent that early - for college and a post-grad shot at becoming Major League Professors, etc.!
    I some cases we hear about those sorts of things. It's not exactly the same thing but we've all heard of some 11 year old who is headed off to college. I'm sure their college of choice is not entirely random.
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    It's one of the problems with these artificial outcomes. Pres. Obama is guilty of the same when he felt we need to push degrees.

    If we say that more schools need to graduate more people then they will. That doesn't mean our society is more educated. It just means that more people have more stuff to hang on their wall.

    Personally, I feel that NYC should be content if the graduation rate was only 12% as long as the majority of students were entering into the workforce and academia well prepared.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kizmet View Post
    It's not exactly the same thing but we've all heard of some 11 year old who is headed off to college...
    You're right, it's not. Young prodigies will always get attention. I'm talking about fostering the talent of top-achieving (mostly) normal-age Grade 8's or thereabouts so they'll excel in college and (hopefully) afterwards.

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    Yeah man, get real. What world do you live in?
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    I had a great High school education . Went to a nice little Catholic school that pushed college heavily. I didn't have a single teacher with a degree in education . My math teachers had degrees in math. English teachers had degrees in English. There was one teacher with an EdD . He taught Spanish (not to me) and had a BA and MA in Spanish before he ever took the doctoral plunge.

    Junior year you had to write a junior year thesis. It was how they taught you to make the transition to thesis statements away from childhood "book reports." It was a minimum of five pages. The project was broken up into graded parts; the thesis statement, your source notecards and the paper itself. When I got to college I flew through English Comp, and most writing intensive projects, because of this experience. Meanwhile some of my classmates in Comp 1 were struggling with basic sentence structure.

    The flip side is that my school eliminated anything they considered "vocational." Even our computer programming courses were hacked to bits despite having lab and teaching resources. The result was that we all emerged better prepared for a four year liberal arts education than many of our contemporaries. Some would argue we were all over educated and under skilled. We were also taught to pursue either money, social prestige or both.

    I feel like there must be a way to encourage the breadth of a liberal arts education without teaching the accompanying snobbery. And a way to incorporate other elements (life skills like wood and auto shop, athletics etc) without turning into a diploma mill. But if we reduce everything to standardized testing I don't imagine we will ever find that balance.
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