Guys, I stumbled upon two TUI-specific discussion forums: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TUI/ and http://www.tourocampus.com/ The Yahoo group is a little more lively but the other one is more tightly moderated. Still, check both out between visits to degreeinfo.com 4Q out
Interesting news: Touro College just opened a branch campus in Germany´s capital Berlin: http://www.touroberlin.de/ It is already "accredited" to issue degrees legally in the state of Berlin (and so also all over Germany and the whole EU). (in the EU, a university can not just "open" and issue degrees, it needs to get state approval first) (but only Bachelor´s and Master´s so far, no word about PhD´s) What do you think about this? Regards, Trigger
Looks like its offering some religious degree (Please correct me if i am wrong). *HIS 155 History of the Jewish People 1 * LLH 101 Elementary Hebrew *HIS 156 History of the Jewish People 2 * LLH 102 Hebrew 2 * LLH 201 Intermediate Hebrew I *HIS 354 Topics in Modern Jewish History * LLH 202 Intermediate Hebrew 2 * JML202 Sabbath and Festival (Jewish Law and Customs) * RSL 276 Ritual Law 2 *GJS 301 Jewish Ethics *PHI 152 Jewish Philosophy
Hardly surprising. Touro's formal "mission" is "to perpetuate and enrich the Jewish heritage and to serve the larger community in keeping with the Judaic commitment to social justice, intellectual pursuit, and service to humanity," and the first of their stated "goals" is "to perpetuate and enrich students’ appreciation of the Jewish heritage through Jewish studies and scholarship." See www.touro.edu
WHOA ... before this skews off ... Read the web site ... "Touro – an American university in Berlin offering a BSc. degree in Business, Management and Administration ... <SNIP> Parallel to the basic business program, which follows Touro College’s rigorous curriculum, Touro offers general courses in Liberal Arts and a special track in Jewish Studies designed for both Jewish and non-Jewish students." Again, please READ exactly what the web site states before skewing off with incorrect statements. The degree is NOT a religious degree! <Where in the world did you come up with THAT?> And while Touro is a Jewish private, non-profit school, they are NO more a 'religious school' than Harvard or Princeton is today. Billy Christ follower AND TUI student
The process of a campus at Berlin took Touro two years or more. Its not certainly they have just started... Touro obtained all necessary clearence from the German Authority before even offering anything... and so far I know it was a long process... Most TUI students and Touro B&M students knew it for last two years... To Manjunath: Before posting, be sure what you are saying... Add some value to the thread and make sure that you can support your comments before you post.
I've long been impressed by Touro's unusually complete lineup of Jewish Studies graduate courses, offered on-campus both in New York and in Jerusalem. http://www.touro.edu/judagrad/course.asp
I don't see any problem with Manjunath's comment. The history and culture surrounding Touro College are quite interesting. See http://www.touro.edu/general/mission.asp for the mission statement I referred to earlier.
Yep, but that´s the way the German system is. And I am very pleased it is that way, strict and rigor, and with very high minimum standards. It is a very good sign that Touro managed to go through this process - many, many schools did never manage that; U. of Phoenix even WITHDRAW their branch campus in Cologne because they didn´t get the necessary recognition/acceptance. I am for the first time considering TUI as an alternative - the bad thing for me is that their PhD is not included in the German recognition, as it seems - and I don´t need another Master´s... ;( T.
This is what Mrs. Nachama, the founding director at Touro Berlin states in their web page, and that I find it very noble and inspiring. To me the benefits of this Touro adventure will be great for the German people so that they can access to a great quality American education without leaving Europe. The Transatlantic bridge needs to be reinforced, and initiatives like this are awesome.
Triggersoft, I am European with an American degree (B.S. in Mechanical Engineering, on campus), and all my credentials have been accepted by the Dutch government (I live in Holland), and by any single engineering body, association or employer I came accross through these years in the entire European Union. Of course, I believe you, but would you be so kind to tell me where can I find that information (Touro's PhD acceptance in Germany). Thank you very much
Hello JLV, Germany and Austria are the strictest countries in Europe in terms of foreign degree recognition. In the case of MBA degrees, for example, in Germany (nearly) only AACSB accredited schools can be recognised (there are, of course, some exceptions if the school is well known in international academics even without having AACSB accreditation), which means that ´only´ regionally accredited US degrees in general are being regarded as not equivalent to German university degrees, and therefore not legal to be ´used´ (without formal acceptance by the state ministry, called ´nostrification´). Touro has managed to get official state recognition in the state of Berlin for their B.Sc. and their MBA degree being offered there, which means that THOSE TWO degrees will be nostrificated by the Berlin state ministry of education, and therefore in whole Germany. This is a major step for a US university in Germany which is besides not even AACSB accredited and therefore a big competitive advantage for Touro in the European market (with Germany as being the lead market). [sorry for only talking about Business degrees as my example, but that´s my area, I don´t know too much about Engineering, but in general, it works the same way] In all other countries in the EU (except for Germany and Austria) every US title can be officially and legally used. Since the Touro PhD is not part of Touro College, this degree will most likely not be able to be nostrificated and ´translated´ into the German (or, to be more precise, the German language room) equivalent Dr. rer. oec. (Latin abbreviation for "Doctor of economic sciences" = PhD in Business Administration or Economics), and therefore not to be legally used in Germany and Austria (Switzerland has similar laws, but is not part of the EU). The Netherlands, of course and as in most manners , are a lot more ´easy´ about the whole topic. The University of Phoenix, which had tremendous problems in getting state acceptance/recognition in Germany and finally failed since the German authorities considered it as being inferior to local knowledge, has opened a campus in Holland years ago. Even the MBA degrees from the Dutch UoP campus, e.g., would not be allowed to be used in Germany, since it is not an official degree granting authority in the Netherlands (respectively in an EU country), and their degrees come from the US actually. To cut a long story short: if anybody WHO LIVES in Austria or Germany uses a Non-European Union degree (e.g. a US degree) in these countries, he can be sued; people who are just there for business reasons or on holiday (meaning for an overseable amount of time) are of course allowed to use their home country credentials on their business cards without getting any problem. Besides, in Germany it´s pretty much the same as everywhere else in the world: if you just use your foreign degree, in 99.9 % of all cases, nobody will care at all if it´s officially legal or not. That is why every single engineering body, association or employer did not care, since they believed you that your credentials were earned legally. But if you were for example a ´Master of Engineering´ (that exists, doesn´t it?), and you were opening an own entreprise in Germany, and you would live there and use this title on your business cards and papers, and you would not have ´nostrificated´ the degree at the ministry of education, and your local competitors, being a German ´Diplom-Ingenieur´ would find that out, he could sue you and you will definetely get a (monetary) punishment on trial, so much for sure. As I said, German laws are in most times the strictest in Europe, in order to keep a certain standard. But things are already changing a little bit, as we seen from the Touro example. Good luck. Hope that answered your questions, tot ziens! Trigger (who btw has a Dutch HBO Diploma! )
Hi Jimmy. At the moment, in Cologne (Köln). I was in Heidelberg a few weeks ago, very beautiful (but expensive) city. And people there have a strange accent... Born in Heidelberg sounds like US Army, hm? Greets, Trigger
Thanks for responding. Yes, my father was in the Army. He met and married my mother while in Heidelberg. We came to the states in 1954. My mother is still living but my father passed on about 20 years' ago. She still, after all these years, has an accent. Take care.
Triggersoft, thank you very much for your views, and sorry for my delay. Geez, it sounds that Germans think they are the only country in the world that can confer university degrees. Poor PhD students at Touro! Never mind the quality of their PhD work, or that they attend a legal university. In Germany they will always be illiterate. What if my company sends me to Germany to work for the rest of my life as an engineer with an American degree? What if, as it is my case, I have an American bachelor, and a Dutch Master’s? Will I avoid prosecution then? Someone should remind our dear neighbors that while they were throwing arrows and spears at each other, countries like Spain or Italy already had universities (Bologna and Salamanca). Now seriously, I have been living around for many years already, and I have noticed that each and every single country I lived before “thinks” that its education system is the best in the world. My friend, chauvinism occurs not only in France. The good news is that the EU is trying to standardize all European education systems by 2005, and even Germany will have to abide by that. This is the link to the information It is not clear how American degrees will be treated but it is a fact that European universities are adopting the Bachelor- Master system, which has been made popular…by Americans. My opinion? Being a European and having studied in both continents (and I know I will be crucified for saying it), I think that America has clearly a superior education system at the university level. I don’t want to start a debate (usually a very nationalistic and irrational one when these topics are dealt with). I am just expressing my views. And, yes, I have a lot of German beloved friends ( I am very very careful using the word friend) most of whom I met in…..America. Respect to you HBO degree, can you say already Scheveningen? Just kidding. FYI, I think those HBO degrees are disappearing now, and from now on, they are called, guess what? Bachelor’s. Greetings from the Low Lands.
