Comparing TUI Ph.D. to AACSB Ph.D.

I am currently enrolled in TUI Ph.D. program.
I like the program and think I have learn a lot.
However, when I compare its curriculum to any of AACSB Ph.D. programs, I think there's a gap. That is, the curriculum from AACSB Ph.D. programs seem to be very technical in nature. How are we (e.g., TUI Ph.D.) going to compete with them (AACSB Ph.D.) in the job market?

 

In the academic marketplace a PhD from TUI will NOT be competitive with an AACSB PhD. Every AACSB school that I am familiar with wishes to hire new faculty who have their doctoral degree from an AACSB school. Many of the ads will explicitly state that a PHD from an AACSB school is required.

 

I agree! And also to let you know: AACSB does not accredit doctoral degrees.

 

In academic employment the AACSB grad will have an advantage in some cases (like at an AACSB school), but in the business world, I think that an RA school is the same as an AACSB school.

I also think TUI might be one of the first to get AACSB accreditation, hopefully!!!

I also do not think there is a huge difference in programs based on AACSB/non-AACSB. I looked at TUI and they seemed to have the same classes, etc. as those with AACSB accreditation

I went to an AACSB MBA school - the Unviersity of Tulsa, and there was an undergrad from there that said most of the classes were EXACTLY the same as the undergrad, same assignments, etc.

So I think that the accrediation does not ensure the program quality, but other factors.

 

They do accredit schools, and those schools offer doctoral programs are considered AACSB accredited (though your fine point is a correct one).

 

TUI Ph.D. vs AACSB Ph.D.

Hi Kristie,

I don't really agree with you on this.
I look at the curriculum of MIT, Stanford, University of Massachusetts, and University of Pittsburg, they all require very technical courses for their Ph.D. programs, e.g., linear algebra, econometrics, statistics, and etc.
Well, I don't know. Perhaps I was just looking at the curriculum of their accounting programs since that's the speciality I want to get into.

 

Re: TUI Ph.D. vs AACSB Ph.D.

Your Ph.D. program is in accounting?

 

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Not really... It's business administration.
TUI doesn't offer speciality.
However, you can emphasize in certain field by taking additional courses, and it's accounting in my case.

 

Re: TUI Ph.D. vs AACSB Ph.D.

I think it's two things: 1) the specialization you’re looking at (accounting programs are more technical), and 2) the schools you are looking at. In this case, you’re looking at some very good schools, which also happen to be AACSB accredited. I think you will find a wide range of AACSB accredited schools -- some good, some great, and few dogs. This is true of RA programs as well. You will find many schools better, and some worse, than TUI. Those schools may be RA and/or AACSB accredited.

It's not the accreditation that matters the most; it's the school and the program within that school. Harvard University's doctoral psychology program is not APA accredited. Does that mean it sucks? I doubt it. When it comes to teaching at the university level, there is so much more that is taken into consideration than the accreditation of the school you graduated from. If you're Jack Welch (former CEO of General Electric) and you want to teach business courses at a university, no one is going to say, "Sorry, Jack, but you didn't graduate from an AACSB accredited school."

The flip side is that just because you graduated from an AACSB accredited school certainly won't grant you a teaching position. If you want to teach, you're going to need a lot more than a degree. AACSB accreditation hopefully provides some utility in ensuring that you won’t waste your money on a bad business school. It also offers other AACSB schools a way to reduce the number of applicants they receive for each teaching position – by limiting applicants to those who graduated from an AACSB-accredited program. (There are way too many Ph.D.’s out there for the number of teaching positions open right now.) But, beyond that, I wouldn’t put too much stock in it.

If you're not thinking about teaching and are interested in working in the "real world," I wouldn't consider AACSB accreditation at all. Instead, I would look at all of the other factors that should impact your decision.

Steve

 

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I think Steve has said it perfectly, except for one minor point. The last paragraph says if you are in the "real world" he would not consider AACSB. In my mind, if both are available, go for the AACSB, since it won't tie your hands in the future, like the MBA programs, there are many to choose from. For Doctorate levels, there aren't any fully DL at this point.

 

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I think Touro has abetter chance to be the first.

 

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I hope so!!

 

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One more thing to add is if you're planning on entering academia, you should also work on getting articles published. AACSB or not, without published works, it won't make a difference. On the other hand, the only thing that matters in the real world is that the school is RA. Trust me, worrying too much about every little thing will only stress you out more.

 

Non for profit?

Sorry to ask, but does anyone know if TUI is a non- for profit institution? I can't find it anywhere in their web site.

Thanks a lot.

 

Non for profit?

Sorry to deviate the conversation from the main point, but does anyone know if TUI is a non- for profit institution? I can't find it anywhere in their web site.

Thanks a lot.

 

Re: Non for profit?

If I remember correctly, they're a not-for-profit institution. For me, it doesn't affect my view of the school whether they're for profit or not, although it does for other folks.

 

Steve King said it too well. Those thinking of teaching should look towards getting more competitive than just graduating from AACSB schools. AACSB does not accredit schools as suggested by someone, they accredit program in an accredited schools. I have said it before and I will say it again, AACSB, IACBE or any other alphabet soup does not mean a thing. The only "accreditation" (for lack of word) that means something is a professional credentials such as CPA, etc that one must earn to practice or be licensed professionally. Otherwise, the only accreditation that matters is RA.

I have known too many personal successful stories and examples to put any stock in AACSB or any other irrelevant additional credentials except where it leads to professional credential or licensure; I would not put my money into it. Even in this economic downturn, I have seen too many non AACSB accredited business graduates success stories that reading the emphasis on it in this forum seems like I must be living in another country other than United States.

If you are strong and well regarded in your profession, published and have held positions of increasing responsibility, you will be hired to teach. Since last year, two schools have approached me for adjunct position but I declined both for lack of time. I currently travel too often to teach and it would not be fair to the students. In 1997, I was hired instantly by a school in Minnesota to teach as an adjunct. I don’t even have a doctoral degree.

I think it all depends on individual comfort level. AACSB has done nothing for my friends, family and I. That does not mean it is not good. All I am saying is it does not imply that you got better education. It certainly does not guarantee employment and yes-even teaching because as Steve King said, there are more to it than holding degrees.

As recent immigrants, we have no godfathers and we compete with the general population and we have been fairly successful with none “ivy league” education but have made Ivy League friends and fairly well compensated along the way. No one should let unnecessary accreditation that is rarely required at the work place; inhibit his or her career goal.

The last time I checked researched doctorates are not professionally accredited. Again, Steve King said it too well. His thoughts are what I experienced daily. I scan daily job announcements and rarely do I find any requirement other than a degree from regionally accredited schools plus appropriate licensure, registration or credentials where required. Where those of you repeatedly quoting IACBE, AACSB, etc look for job announcements. Even in the academic teaching positions, I rarely find some of the statements I read in this forum.

 

I disagree and will give you an exact reference.

http://www.csus.edu/fas/vacancies/Management%20Accounting.htm

I do have to admit, I have only researched this school, since I am only looking in my area. This reference has been said it is the exception and not the rule, but I have found that AACSB is CRITICAL, meaning do not apply without it (at AACSB schools).

Those carzy Californiana....... but.....

It is logical if you think about it, if a school goes through the process of becoming AACSB and finds value in it, they will probably require the same out of their faculty.


RA schools probably only require RA, etc.

 

In direct competition, probably not well at all. Unless the TUI applicant has significant experience or some other intangible, a Ph.D. or D.B.A. from a AACSB school is probably going to trump TUI every time.

If you're referring to the academic market, the good news is that Business is one of the most popular programs at colleges & universities, so I'm sure there are going to be plenty of openings in the field at both RA and AACSB schools. For example, a Harvard D.B.A. isn't likely to apply for a position at Podunk State College, leaving that opening for a TUI or other RA degree holder.

 

Most want AACSB

Most of the ads for business professors in my most recent Chronicle of Higher Education (CHE) clearly state they want people from AACSB accredited programs. However, other articles indicate there is a shortage of business PHD's. That may provide opportunities for graduates of non-AACSB accredited programs if they have other strengths (previous business/teaching experience, published, etc.). Also, the requirements for adjuncts are much less strict. I am an adjunct with only an MBA. However, it is not the day job. I would have to teach 14.5 classes a semester to make ends meet so it is not really a valid career choice. If you are wanting your PHD to teach full time, really look hard at what schools are looking for in a professor. If you have your heart set on a particular shool that only hires AACSB graduates you may be disappointed. Contact some deans and look at community colleges. Some professors snub their noses at community college posts (many don't have tenure, but some do have unions) but they can be a rewarding career. Also, many of the so called "podunk state U's" are AACSB accredited and demand that of their professors. Go to the AACSB site and you will see what I mean. CHE has a web site where you can search for jobs. Take a look.