NCU & SCUPS = is it the same school?

Two things about NCU -

- First their web site it one of the cheapest looking sites in the internet. They must have paid $20 for someone to build that site. It doesnt even have pictures of people etc etc .....

- Second - I just downloaded their CATALOG (in word) and when I do "FILE / PROPERTIES" on the document it says SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA UNIVERSITY - SCUPS. It looks like they took SCUPS catalog and changed the name. Go ahead and take the catalog from SCUPS and compare them. Even the font is the same. Even the faculty is pretty much the same. I guess there are "professors" who "teach" in these schools and get paid based on the number of students.

Does NCU or I will now call the NCUSCUPS have any plans to at least change their site a bit and bring some life to it.
What a joke -

.PhD

 

NCU is regionally accredited; you don't get to become regionally accredited by having "professors" "teach," but rather by having professors teach. Whatever one might think of the schools NCU has affiliated itself with (SCUPS, IUFS, etc.), the fact remains that NCU itself offers legitimate degree programs under the highest form of institutional accreditation available in the United States.


Cheers,

 

It seems that now anyone is finding something to attack NCU, But as Tom Stated the "facts remains" that NCU is RA period.

 

For the moment.

I don't think anyone is attcking NCU, just shaking their heads at how a newly accredited school could associate itself with an organization that is itself affiliated with a myriad of degree mills, unrecognized accreditors and Archbishop Dr. Dr. Dr. Chief Swift Eagle himself.

Go figure.

 

I don't think you can know this until proven, meanwhile is just speculation! Then, lets change the word attack to speculation!

 

I second the motion. I am a bit confused as to why NCU would want to affiliate itself with a group of second rate schools? Why ruin a good reputation? It took them a few years to get RA and earn the respect of the public. Why throw it away by taking such stupid actions???
I mentioned on another thread that I would not hesitate taking courses from NCU. I now wish to withdraw that statement.

 

I'm not a rich man... and NCU is within my financial reach, unlike UoP and other online doctoral programs. Since NCU is RA, I'm going to take the plunge and go through their program.

People mocked my community college because it is a... community college!!! But the degree is RA and it has opened doors for me. It worked perfectly. I anticipate that an RA PhD will work just fine for me.

However, if you want to be a professor at Harvard or Princeton, then you might want to attend an Ivy League school for your PhD.

 

Too late, Roy, you've already given your word!!!!!!!!!!

 

IMHO, those "schools" would have to climb a few rungs upward to qualify as second-rate.

Please, somebody (preferably from NCU) tell me that this is all some big, ill-conceived mistake.

 

I believe that NCU and SCUPS are owned by the same people. NCU is their "RA" version, while SCUPS isn't accredited, just state approved.

The funny thing seems to be that NCU went through all the hoops to become RA, yet can't even create their own web materials! Instead, they just "cut, copy and pasted" from their state approved sister!

Another interesting thing about NCU... they won't accept credits or degrees from their own sister institution SCUPS.

I am waiting to see how NCU plays out in the long run before I spend any money with them. When I contacted them about their programs, they were very informative and helpful. I wish them well. Maybe they should offer a course in web design and have one of their students do the University web page as their final project!

- Jay

 

Rumor has it that SCUPS and NCU will be merging; the new school will be known as SCUNC.

 

NCU

I am not attacking the school or anyone - I just pointed out a fact regarding their catalog.

The only thing I like about NCU is their name. It actually sounds like a "regular" school, BUT when one goes to their website one may be very disappointed. And please use the same Catalog as SCUPS or as any other school.

Then, there are people here who defend NCU. How can one defend a school without attending it or taking classes there (online or otherwise). If they cant produce their own catalog - how can they produce their online materials.

RA: When are we going to discuss what RA really means? Is it just a way for many schools to hide behind the fact that they are RA. It looks like a big joke to me. Are RA orgs for profit? Everyone needs income - I am not sure just thinking out loud.

Re: NCU web site. I can swear that they used a pre done htmltemplate for less than $15 ... i was looking for the site that sells than - and as soon as I find it will post it here.

.pHd

 

As someone who has been involved in some capacity with the writing of five or six books on distance education, and has his name on two of them, I am called on all the time to criticize or defend schools that I have not personally enrolled with. Personal affiliation with a school is actually a minus rather than a plus as far as I see it, as it indicates the possibility of bias. That's why I don't expect anyone to listen to me if I rave about the excellent quality of Cal State's HUX master's program.

Regarding the RAs, they aren't for-profit (they're private nonprofits), nor are they grubbing for schools to approve (as administrators at the numerous schools that have lost their RA accreditation, or had it threatened, could attest). Every indication is that NCU passed muster as far as the North Central Association is concerned. That doesn't mean that NCU is wonderful, but it does mean that it's legitimate and, here again, holds the highest form of institutional accreditation available to schools in the United States.

I have been disappointed with many RA school web sites, BTW, even a good number of the brick-and-mortar variety. When I co-wrote Get Your IT Degree and Get Ahead with the Bears for McGraw-Hill, I actually threw in a starred web site rating system largely so that I could have some forum in which to pan the many unhelpful or poorly designed web sites I encountered during my research.


Cheers,

 

Re: NCU

I am attending NCU and have been rellay disappointed. I have been telling this for a while on this forum.Their web site is really rediculous. I have been designing web sites since 1995.
There is no interaction between students and faculty (at least in the coourse i had enrolled). I never got an e-mail from the faculty and i found the same faculty on SCUPS web site taking similar courses. I think that faculty dosen't like his job or he has no idea which university(SCUPS or NCU) we are enrolled in. You just need to answer couple of review questions at the end of each chapter and finish the course. The name for the program should have been "self reading MBA" instead of "distance/online MBA". When i brought this issue with the Dept Chair.. he just asked me to change the course !!! . I think the university should have taken this issue seriously and get some faculties who really like what they are doing.

NCU dosent use Blackboard or webCt or any tool for course presentation. They have a vague home grown ( i think its borrowed from SCUPS) web pages for each course.

If this is what online RA Universities do.. i will start a company and give it a "University" name and talk to Northcentral Association and ask for RA.

 

You are right.

Here is an example..

http://learners.ncu.edu/course_catalog/course_information_desc.asp?course_code=MIS5011

http://www.scups.edu/course_catalog/course_information_desc.asp?course_code=MIS%205511

 

Originally posted by Manjuap

I am really confused by the above statement. In a post dated 7/20/03, you stated the following:

I did look at NCU, but was not impressed. My question to you is
how can you recommend a school that you attend and do not like? This seems strange to me.

 

I was not recommending NCU.. i was neutral. Its left to others to decide. I just wanted to give the facts.

 

Thanks for clearing that up because that was not how I interpreted the response.

 

Re: Re: NCU & SCUPS = is it the same school?

Actually I would vote for the SCUPS MIS page as looking more professional and refined. The NCU site looks rather trite in comparison. But appearances are deceiving.

 

I just read an interesting snippit from another thread here at DegreeInfo.com: