DETC Doctorates

A couple DETC doctorates. Physical and occupational therapy. By distance ed???


http://www.usa.edu/education.htm


Everyone wants to be a doctor.

 

Dennis,

I wasn't aware of DETC doctorates, but I am now, at least until I forget it, thanks for new info.

 

University of St. Augustine

These programs have proper professional accreditations. They are considered as first professional doctorates and DETC currently accredit programs up to that level.

Ike

 

And that can be so transitory.

From the USA site:

From the DETC site:

The degree descriptions don't quite match and what is a "t(T)ransitional Doctor" is not apparent.

 

Re: University of St. Augustine

"First professional doctorates" are apparently not doctorates:

 

Re: Re: University of St. Augustine

They are professional degrees. They are not research doctorates but a holder of any of these degrees (MD, OD, DMD, OD, etc) is called a "doctor".

Ike

 

How medical doctors got their titles

I have the following snippet from the local rag pasted on the wall at my office desk. Thought is was appropriate for this thread.

'In 1829 the British Medical Association had a general meeting. A resolution was passed for its members to adopt the title doctor to improve their social and financial standing. At that stage, medical practitioners had the same standing as carpenters. Indeed, in the Royal Navy, the ship's carpenter doubled as the ship's surgeon because he had the appropriate tools. I do not mean to denigrate carpenters.'

Don't ya luv it???

Cheers,

George

 

Re: How medical doctors got their titles

Wouldn't you like to see your doctor in jeans bend over to examine you, and show you his gluteous. He could use one of those big pencils to write your prescription, and a rule for a tongue depressor.

 

Decimon,

I have posted this before but here is the US Dept of Ed site with National Science Foundation classification of doctoral programs. This list is of doctoral titles equivalent to the PhD. They include DMin's, EdD's, DBA's. The preamble notes that within this category their are degrees that are professional doctorates.

http://www.ed.gov/offices/OUS/international/USNEI/us/research-doctorate.html

At the bottom of the site is another link for first professional degrees/first professional doctorates that have doctorate in the title but are not equivalent to the PhD. These include MD's, DC's, JD's etc.

It would seem that if the DETC is using the same terminology that the UD Dept of Ed/NSF is using...........they could not offer a DMin or PhD but could offer an MD or DC. Of course in reality many factors mitigate against them offering medical degrees.

North

 

Ike & North,

Thanks for the info. Sounds like an interesting educational gray area.

George,

I have a brother who retired as a DHS (Doctor of Hammer and Saw). I have other "honorifics" for him.

 

Thanks for the passage, George. That's great, and 100% correct!

The word doctor comes from the latin “docere” – to teach. Physicians appropriated the title over the last 100-150 years. While I clearly understand that a modern MD is a person of great learning (especially when considered along side of the “Barber Surgeon” of a century ago), an MD, DDS, DVM, etc. is not an academic degree. I usually bring this point up to my physician friends whenever they get too cocky.

“OK, just let me know when you want to become a REAL doctor, not just a boil lancer with a prescription pad”.

Needless to say, I’m very popular at parties

Cheers,
Tony Maranto

 

Proliferation of first professional doctorates

Ever since the medical profession appropriated the title, "doctor," competitors have followed suit. Osteopaths, chiropractors, naturopaths, optometrists and podiatrists received (and continue to receive) first professional doctorates upon graduation. Many have sought to "push the envelope" by expanding their respective scopes of practice to include more procedures typically reserved for MDs, such as the prescribing of drugs.

Interestingly, health professional who were traditionally subservient to physicians (rather than their competitors) did not receive first professional doctorates. This is changing. Pharmacists and physical therapists are now receiving Doctor of Pharmacy and Doctor of Physical Therapy degrees upon completition of their professional training. The PharmD and DPT were once advanced degrees, held by only a few. Now they are destined to become universal in the US.

Physical therapists have expanded their scope of practice in many states, and in most, now provide services directly to the public rather than by prescription only. New Mexico licenses "Pharmacist Clinicians" with limited prescription privileges.

I suspect it won't be long before just about everyone working in a hospital will be some sort of "doctor." It will be interesting to see what term physicians will use to distinguish themselves from others using the title "doctor."

No, not "physician." The competitors are already working on that one. We have "naturopathic physicians," "chiropractic physicians," and in some states, "optometric physicians."

Outside the health care professions, attorneys transmuted the LL.B. into the J.D. with no real change in the scope of the program.

Will it be long before engineers and accountants decide to get in on the fun?

Christopher

 

Re: Re: DETC Doctorates

I assume a transitional doctorate is for an already qualifed therapist to earn the title doctor.

 

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Greetings! Before the anesthetic renders you unconscious, let me explain that I am your Transitional Doctor. You should be pleased to know that, should your gall bladder operation be a success, I will have earned the title of Medical Doctor.

 

Re: Re: Re: Re: DETC Doctorates

Transitional does not form part of the degree title, just the program title.

 

While DETC does not accredit institutions currently offering doctorates, students will be able to finish programs started prior to application for accreditation. If those students complete their degree after the institution has achieved accreditation, they will have a degree from an accredited institution.

As has been discussed in other threads, DETC is likely to accredit more than first professional doctorates in the not to distant future. Otherwise schools such as California Coast would not likely be seeking DETC accreditation.

Sam

 

North,

Your post is an excellent example of why it's worth visiting degreeinfo and sorting thru the chaff on this list for the nuggets of neato (which should date me very easily) stuff.

I may never use the information, but thank you anyway.

DaveA

 

Re: Re: DETC Doctorates

Well, not exactly. First, the DETC frowns upon offering doctorates while an institution is in the approval process, and ask that any existing doctoral students either be fast-tracked or transferred to another institution. It is quite possible that accreditation could be held up until all doctoral students are out of the “pipeline.” Second, even if a student were to receive his or her degree after a school had been granted accreditation, the doctoral degree would still be from an unaccredited school, as DETC accreditation does not include doctoral programs. Moreover, it would be unethical for someone who had received a doctorate from an institution (whether before or even after they received DETC accreditation) to simply reply in the affirmative when asked if the school was accredited.

 

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Hmmm...things I never knew. USA is in the land of the flying cockroach so I searched New York and came up with this :

Guess you were right - everyone wants to be a Doctor.

 

Gus Sainz: "Moreover, it would be unethical for someone who had received a doctorate from an institution (whether before or even after they received DETC accreditation) to simply reply in the affirmative when asked if the school was accredited."


Cehi: It is good to know that you are filled with elongated ethical standards. I am just curious to know what you actually expect anyone in this situation to say. Thank you.