Devry's acquisition of Ross University (St. Kitts)

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  1. lionel

    lionel member

    Many months ago, Devry Inc. acquired Ross University (St. Kitts) for approximately 300 million dollars (US). Noting that Ross is accredited and chartered by the Ministry of Education, St. Kitts, this deal demonstrates tremendous confidence in the accreditation standards of St. Kitts and the Government. I note also that the St. Kitts' accreditation web site lists Ross and Berne as the only private fully accredited institutions. What say you guys?

    Lionel
     
  2. Dennis Ruhl

    Dennis Ruhl member

    Ross has been around a long time and is one of the better schools for Americans who are too stupid to get into an American medical school. $310 million for 2500 students or $124,000 per. Wow - do we see a tuition increase in the near future?

    As for Berne, one would normally expect a New Hampshire school to have local accreditation. A lot of degree mills and Berne claim foreign accreditation. Not a degree mill, but what company it keeps!
     
  3. lionel

    lionel member

    Both Ross & Berne are incorporated in St. Kitts, and each has an administartive office only (no campus) in the USA. Ross' office recently moved from NY to NJ and Berne's office is in NH. Also, both Ross and Berne possess the same accreditation.

    Lionel
     
  4. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    I would say the two are utterly unrelated.

    Ross's medical school is, IIRC, WHO-listed. Their graduates are eligible to sit for licensure exams in the U.S. That's why they had value to DeVry, not their approval to operate by St. Kitts and Nevis.

    If DeVry buys Berne, then we should revisit the subject. But until then, we're talking about two different things.
     
  5. lionel

    lionel member

    Devry is not the accrediting body, the Ministry of Education, St. Kitts is. Further, Ross University in St. Kitts is a veterinary school (albeit same type of listing), however, eligibility to sit for USA licensure is based on the degree awarded by Ross, as it is accredited by the Ministry of Education.

    Lionel
     
  6. oxpecker

    oxpecker New Member

    One of the things I love about degreeinfo is the opportunity to watch white-collar criminals in action.
     
  7. Broderick

    Broderick New Member

    ????

    Who is this guy, I mean, he can't be serious, can he???

    Veritas,

    Michael
     
  8. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Please re-read my post. It is Ross's listing by the World Health Organization ("WHO") that is of value, not the approval of St. Kitts and Nevis.

    Quite skewing the issue.
     
  9. lionel

    lionel member

    Governmental Approval and/or Accreditation is/are required for listing in the WHO directory. It's the Government that has to request listing with WHO.

    Incorporation is not equal to accreditation/approval/charter.
     
  10. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    So what? It is still the WHO who decides, not St. Kitts and Nevis.

    Either way, it has absolutely no bearing on Berne, an unaccredited school operating from New Hampshire. Just as Capella operates an administrative office in Minneapolis, and Walden operates one in that city as well, Berne operates one from New Hampshire. Only Berne isn't licensed by that state, nor is it accredited by a recognized agency. And none of this has anything to do with Ross and/or DeVry.

    This is lame. :rolleyes:
     
  11. lionel

    lionel member

    However you view it, Ross' authority to award degrees, and its operational infrastructure are based only on its relationship with St. Kitts.
     
  12. sulla

    sulla New Member

    There is nothing stupid about not making it into American med schools. In case you haven't figured out, getting into med school in America is very competitive and quite costly. Most of the tuition ranges aroun 25,000 year.
    I have total respect for pre-med students who find other alternatives that suits their needs, as long these are not fraudulent.

    -S
     
  13. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    This just isn't true. The validity of Ross University's medical degrees is most certainly not based on the approval of St. Kitts and Nevis. It is incidental, at best. It is their listing by WHO that matters.
     
  14. lionel

    lionel member

    BERNE UNIVERSITY AND ROSS UNIVERSITY ARE THE ONLY PRIVATE INSTITUTIONS IN ST. KITTS WHICH ARE FULLY ACCREDITED. BOTH INSTITUTIONS POSSESS THE SAME LEVEL OF ACCREDITATION, ARE INCORPORATED IN ST. KITTS, AND ARE ALSO RECOGNIZED BY THE UDOE AS FOREIGN INSTITUTIONS. BOTH INSTITUTIONS MAINTAIN ONLY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE IN THE USA.

    JUST AS NJ HAS NO JURISDICTION OVER ROSS, AND NY HAS NO JURSIDICTION OVER ST. GEORGE'S UNIVERSITY, GRENADA, NH HAS ABSOLUTELY NO (MEANS NONE) JURISDICTION OVER BERNE AND BOTH THE NH COMMISSION AND BERNE ARE AWARE OF THAT.
     
  15. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Gosh, shouting won't change things.

    Berne operates from New Hampshire without licensure or accreditation.

    Ross is recognized by WHO.
     
  16. lionel

    lionel member

    YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE SAYING THAT NH NONSENSE AND YOU ARE GETTINNG NOWHERE WITH IT, MEANWHILE BERNE IS EXPANDING.
     
  17. Dennis Ruhl

    Dennis Ruhl member

    "Too stupid" was exageration for effect. What I should have said was not bright enough. My 1992 Bears Guide shows old stats for passing United States medical exams and the graduates of many of the universities for whose students are shown great respect was 5 - 10 %.

    Ross was half decent and St. Georges was the best at 75 %. I don't think they publish school specific stats anymore.

    I'd check the diploma before I ran out for that vasectomy.

    I haven't checked but I wouldn't think that Caribbean medical schools would be any cheaper because of lack of state funding.
     
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  18. lionel

    lionel member

    "It is their listing by WHO that matters."

    GO EDUCATE YOURSELF ON HOW THE ABOVE IS ACHIEVED.

    AND WHEN NEXT YOU VISIT THE PSYCHOLOGIST, GYNECOLOGIST OR PEDIATRICIAN, BE SATISFIED WITH THEIR LICENSE ONLY - AND DO NOT ASK WHERE THEY STUDIED? YOU ARE VIOLATING YOUR OWN LOGIC.


    ARE YOU STILL TEACHING AT THE UNACCREDITED SCHOOL?
     
  19. Dennis Ruhl

    Dennis Ruhl member

    From past reading - no expert.

    It is up to medical regulators in each state to freely determine what is or is not a sufficient medical education and WHO recognition is not always sufficient in some states.

    Ross is probably acceptable in Canada but most Caribbean medical schools are not. A Canadian attending a 3rd rate Caribbean medical school usually ends up in the United States.
     
  20. tcnixon

    tcnixon Active Member


    "Berne operates from New Hampshire without licensure or accreditation.

    Ross is recognized by WHO."


    And then there were two.

    These are two entirely different situations. With Ross, it had nothing to do with St. Kitts. While technically they had to have government sponsorship, it was the World Health Organization's research and approval that mattered.

    And, yes, Berne exists totally in New Hampshire (when they're not vacationing in St. Kitts).


    Tom Nixon
     

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