The Accredited Institutions of Postsecondary Education by ACE.

I have noticed that when you ask an advisor what college credits will transfer, they pull out the ACE handbook. The Accredited Institutions of Postsecondary Education by ACE, is what they look at first. A college advisor told me a few days ago, that if my nationally accredited institution was listed on the book, then they would transfer the credits. This was a well know regionally accredited university (TESC), accepting credits from a nationally accredited college just because it is listed on the handbook. The lady said that colleges that were listed in the book had been evaluated by ACE. This does not sound right, could someone comment on this.

Carlos M. Lorie

 

American Council on Education

ACE does not accredit institutions.

"IMPORTANT: Please note that ACE does not accredit institutions and that membership in ACE does not confer accreditation. To find a list of accrediting bodies and the institutions they accredit, please visit the Council for Higher Education Accreditation at http://www.chea.org/directories/ or the Department of Education. ACE publishes an annual listing of accredited institutions, Accredited Institutions of Postsecondary Education (AIPE), which is available for purchase from Greenwood Publishing Group by calling 1-800-225-5800 or visiting their web site at http://www.greenwood.com. This publication is not reproduced on the web."

http://www.acenet.edu/about/memberdirectory/index.cfm

However, ACE does evaluate all kinds of courses and examinations, and may recommend college credit based on that evaluation. Many military schools have been evaluated by ACE and have credit recommendations. ACE recommends credit for many, but not all, America Military University courses.

"What We Do

ACE's College Credit Recommendation Service (CREDIT) has reviewed thousands of training courses, apprenticeship programs, and examinations since 1974.

Our mission is to make college possible for working adults.

How Do We Do This?

We use college faculty to determine if formal training programs are equivalent to traditional courses taught by accredited colleges.
We publish every course and exam that we recommend for college credit in our guides.
We work with accredited colleges to communicate the value of ACE-evaluated training.
We provide portable and secure lifetime documentation of your ACE-evaluated college credits and CEUs in two transcripts.
We advocate for you when you have problems getting your ACE credit recommendations accepted at colleges.
We advise colleges about how to better meet the needs of a very important population: you—the adult learner.
For more information about ACE CREDIT, continue to the CREDIT Overview."

http://www.acenet.edu/calec/corporate/what-we-do.cfm

 

This is how to understand this post.

ACE has publication of properly accredited schools (not by ACE)
by R. A and/or N.A commissions.

If the R.A or N.A school listed in the ACE book - than the particular university will accept credit for transfer.

I never read this publication by ACE so this is just an opinion.

Mikhail

 

Dr Bear's survey indicated that aprox 30 % of R/A registars always accept DETC credit, approx 20 % usually accept it, and about 10 % somtimes accept it. The DETC reports that about 2/3 of graduates applying to R/A schools are successful.

Your observations are not unique. You may not get into the school you want, but there is no firm barrier to recognition of DETC or other N/A credit.

 

Hi, Carlos. Charles already answered this, but I think that I'll comment too.

It sounds as if you are confusing two different things.

First, there are lists of accredited schools. As we know, there are lots of different recognized accreditors, and often an RA university might not accept credit from a school accredited by a non-RA accreditor.

But the thing that ACE is best known for among admissions counselors is their credit evaluation service. Many RA schools have a policy of accepting non-RA educational experience that has been evaluated by the ACE as being university-equivalent.

The California State University is an example of this. They will accept non-RA credit if the credit has been approved by the ACE. There are nationally accredited schools, like the DETC Catholic Distance University, that have had all of their courses evaluated by the ACE, thereby greatly improving their transferability.

(In my opinion, more non-RA schools should consider doing this. Besides improving the utility of DETC-type programs, it would be a big step towards credibility for state-approved schools. Since they can do it on a course-by-course basis, and since it doesn't involve all the institutional and administrative scrutiny that the accreditors inflict, it would be an easier thing to pull off than accreditation for a new and tiny educational start-up.)

It's interesting that the courses that the ACE evaluates needn't be university courses at all. They don't even need to be accredited. ACE's credit recommendation service was actually created to give credit for on-the-job education and in-house corporate training. The basic ACE publication on this is their 'National Guide to Educational Credit for Training Programs'.

One place this really shines is in military training. ACE has a whole division dedicated to evaluating military courses and giving them credit recommendations where appropriate. The ACE maintains an elaborate list of these recomendations in their 'Guide to the Evaluation of Educational Experience in the Armed Services'.

 

Thanks for the clarification.

ACE performs evaluation or ACE member credential evaluation services?

Will they evaluate International Universitues that are not in USA.

(Not Diploma Mills) - but state aprooved schools were
aprooval is from ministry of education - such as Russian Ministry of Education?

Thanks

Mikhail

 

No no no - not IUFS again! I haven't even finished with the guys that think St. Regis is a real school.

 

Dennis Ruhl Hi,

Any school in Russian Federation that has a license -- litzensia from
Russian Federation is legitimate educational Institute.

IUFS is not accredited YET by Russian Federation - step 2 in formal recognition of the Institute.

And as Dr. Bear writes in his guide -- according to his evaluation they are not GAAP.

Only this month IUFS enrolled over 200 students is Russia to their
medical school with collaboration with State Medical University.

The accreditation visit -- review that was scheduled by R.F Ministry of Education in last December 2002 was postponed only because of Ministry of Education budget problem and will take place later this year.

No guaranty that it will produce accreditation but what ever recommendations the comity will suggest IUFS will follow and make the adjustments if needed.

Their status is in good standing with renewas of their license and as candidates for accreditation by RF Ministry of Education.

Please don't compare R.F ministry of education to Liberian system.

I think your conclusion is mostly influenced by IUFS associations to some business people.

If you can produce documents that show that they are not real school please share with us.

Thanks

Mikhail

 

The IUF website looks like a degree mill operator's wet dream. The hints at associations with a myriad of legitimate organizations look pretty tentative.

Did you know that IUFS and Harvard have the same accreditor - The International University Accrediting Association? Probably news to Harvard also.

I do known that they are associated with American Coastline University and Kingdom College of Natural Health which seem to still have Louisiana addresses, although I am sure they are not licensed. Kingdom College actually does appear to offer coursework. Both are on Oregon's poo list.

IUFS is also affiliated with Archbishop Dr. Dr. Dr. Chief Swift Eagle's International Theological University which will grant you a degree without coursework.

Every piece of dirt poking out of the Caribbean has an international medical school. What saves us is that only about 10% of the graduates can pass the exams. In reading the IUFSwebsit, it was not possble to discern whether they actually had a medical school or were just alluding to one.

If they do not want to be considered a degree mill, why do they do everything a degree mill does, only better? If someone just fell off the turnip truck, they might actually believe some of this stuff.

 

I just noticed that the individual that posts on alt.education.distance using the name 'MosheW' took the entire text of my earlier post about ACE on this thread and reposted it on aed (in the 'accreditation: I need help' thread) under his name, as if he had written it.

Coincidently (or not), he's also aed's big defender of IUFS.

Of course, I don't see any connction at all between ACE's credit recommendation service and IUFS, but apparently it's a small DL world out there.

 

yes MosheW did post on the other site your post in this group.
But he wite that the post is from degree info by you.

Under this trend:

Subject: Interesting post form degree info

From: [email protected] (MosheW)
Date: 7/1/2003 12:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id: <[email protected]>

I'm duplicating this post from Degreeinfo.com. - by Bill Dayson


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It sounds as if you are confusing two different things.

First, there are lists of accredited schools. As we know, there are lots of
different recognized accreditors, and often an RA university might not accept
credit from a school accredited by a non-RA accreditor.

But the thing that ACE is best known for among admissions counselors is their
credit evaluation service. Many RA schools have a policy of accepting non-RA
educational experience that has been evaluated by the ACE as being
university-equivalent.

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As far as IUFS -

It's a combination of good and not so good.

Once Russian Federation will confer accreditation then we will see big changes.
The model is AICS with previous bogus accreditation and now DETC.

 

Yes, it seems that there are at least three aed posts that copy all or part of the text, and the iteration that begins the 'an interesting post from degree info' thread does credit its source.

While I'm happy that he liked what I wrote, I'm curious what he thinks its significance is. Why is a post about the ACE credit recommendation service worthy of being reposted several times on aed?

 

Re: Re: The Accredited Institutions of Postsecondary Education by ACE.

Along with the numbers, don't ignore the persuasion method. Even if some respondent to a survey said "no," one might be able to negotiate to "yes" on an individual basis.

 

Thanks Rich

I will keep trying, so far it looks good.

 

My AASCB accredited school will not accept upper-level business courses from a non-AASCB source.

 

"The California State University is an example of this. They will accept non-RA credit if the credit has been approved by the ACE. There are nationally accredited schools, like the DETC Catholic Distance University, that have had all of their courses evaluated by the ACE, thereby greatly improving their transferability"

Do you guys have the list of the schools that accept ACE approved courses for transfer?
thank you