KW university

Dear Friends,
After reading different views about Kennedy Western University, and sales tactics regarding" tution fee increase,their quality compared to others etc".
I just got admission in Ms engg mgmt,I thought it will help in getting better job promotion and professional certifications etc ,but it looks like majority disapproves it because of its accreditation.
I haven't started yet,is it worth stepping into,or waste of time and money.
I would really appreciate your views.
Best regards
ayaz

 

Ask why they can't offer their programs to California residents. Does that throw up a "red flag"?

 

Any university about which one has to say things like . . .

"Well, if you're in California you can't enroll..."

and

"I hope you're not in Oregon, because use of their degree there is a criminal offense, subjecting the user to fine and imprisonment..."

and

"If you live in New Jersey, then..."

and so on, may not be the best choice for some people in some situations.

 

I would certainly encurage you to make another choice. If money is an issue, then consider some of the state approved programs in California. I am not sure that KW will help you meet your goals. However, each of us has to make our own decisions, based on our needs and opportunities.

 

Kennedy-Western is not accredited by any recognized agency.

Degrees from K-WU enjoy almost no acceptance in academic circles.

Degrees from K-WU enjoy some acceptance in employment circles, but significantly less if employers find out it is state-licensed, not accredited.

As noted above, K-WU cannot enroll students in the state in which it really operates, California.

As noted above, K-WU degrees are illegal to use in New Jersey and Oregon. You may not ever live in those states, but these designations impugn holders of these degrees no matter where they live and work.

Based upon your post, you apparently have read these things. So what are you asking?

Enjoy.

 

Your information says you ar in Georgia, so why not look at Georgia TechExecuvtive MSc in management of Technology a DL program close to home?

Or check out the options through the Southern Regional Education Boards Electronic Campus and get in state rates a wide range of schools and progams.

 

How many times will we have to observe this:

1) Prospective DL student researches schools in Bear's and/or this forum. Learns about accreditation. Sends for information from non-RA school anyway.

2) Prospective student posts question on this forum related to an e-mail from the non-RA school, usually begining with: "I know there has been a lot of negetive comments about..."

3) Members advise against enrolling in a non-RA school.

4) Prospective student enrolls anyway.

5) Student begins to show up on the Accredited vs Non-Accredited Forum claiming that their non-RA program is just as good as RA, and how in their career it doesn't matter anyway.

6) Student spends thousands of dollars, and several years earning their non-RA degree.

7) Student then appears back on this forum asking if anyone knows a RA school that will accept non-RA credit, because their current employer will not accept a non-RA degree.

8) Student is told that almost no RA school will accept their credits.

9) Student feels like a fool.

 

But we seldom see that. More often, they go to their proverbial graves insisting that state licensing is the true mark of educational legitimacy.

On a board with well over 60,000 posts-- many of them devoted to this topic-- you'll probably find less than 20 that say, in essence, "Wow.. I feel like a chump."

 

They don't always say it in words, but there are some things we can just sense, even through a computer screen.

 

Also K-W has bounced from state to state (at least its mailbox) to avoid prosecution for being a substandard school. Do a search on this board for many more details.

 

K.W. Warning

WARNING!!!
A very good friend of mine got caught up with these people.I won't go into it here but you could face criminal charges.Take some advise from some one who has watched a well meaning person be put to shame, don't take a chance on a K.W. degree. My friend was told that the degree was illegal and she does'nt live in N.J. or Oregon, get my drift?

 

Specifics

LM:

Could you be more specific. How is the degree criminal? Was she/he claiming the degree was RA, when it is SL?

All State Registered, Unaccredited Schools are illegal in OR, NJ (accept in OR, BJU or one progarm at SCUPS). I personally feel that this is unconstitutional, and as of yet, no one has been effectively prosecuted. A similar Law in FL was overturned, some years back.

Thanks,

RJT

 

Dennis,

After reading RJT's post. I have to agree. I stand corrected.

 

Some people don't have the patience or commitment to finish a RA degree and feel that a KW degree would give them at least the sense of achievement that they are looking for. They know its limitations but still go for it since it is degree ot no degree. I personally feel that is better to achieve a certificate from a RA university than a degree from KW, even if RJT's claim of the KW courses being at the RA level is true, 6 or 7 courses is the standard for a university certificate that at least you won't have to defend for the rest of your life or be ashame off.

 

When I read posts like RJT's, I have to smile (though I suspect that the humor is lost on him/her.)

When I was hired, I was something of an anomaly in my government agency-- an investigator without at least a bachelor's degree, having gotten the job (actually, a promotion) through experience and ability. And yet, I never-- not once-- had to defend or justify my lack of a degree.

I suspect that the same would be true of many K-W "degree" holders employed in industry; many are probably competent, respected, capable professionals, whose lack of a degree probably wouldn't be questioned by their employer, even when being considered for promotion.

Add a K-W "degree" to the mix, and what happens? They suddenly have to start defending, justifying, and waving placards reading "Unfair! Unconstitutional!"

At some level, wouldn't it be better to just be a competent employee without a degree than one whose judgement (and possibly work ethic) is impeachable by virtue of a worthless paper from a shady school?

Graduates from schools with real accreditation-- yes, even supposed "second string" accreditors like DETC-- don't need to go through these contortions. Since I have yet to hear an explanation of why K-W's instructional model is somehow superior to the vast number of legitimate, accredited DL programs (it certainly can't be K-W's cost) and is, for that reason, preferable... the only explanation I can divine is:

"It IS substandard. But they'd give me paper for a mere 5-7 courses, and I'm just hoping nobody notices."

 

Re: Specifics

Sorry RJT, you seem to be getting things muddled.

The law in FL was ruled unconstitutional because the law did not provide anyway for a valid degree, e.g., from Bob Jones University to be used. It also seemed to have some significant weakness in dealing with foreign degrees. The ruling of the court SPECIFICALLY stated that the intent of the law was FULLY constitutional and would be for the benefit of the people.

 

Re: Re: Specifics

Bob Jones is just another non-accredited school. It's no better than Kennedy-Western in that regard. If somebody wants me to place it into a separate category, THEY have to convince me why I should. On Adelheid's 'Justifying feelings' thread I inquired into how that might be done, and gave a suggestion and an example. My point is that this isn't something that can be assumed a-priori. It has to be established.

I also pointed out that absent an objectively applicable set of criteria, all of this devolves into educational aesthetics. It becomes a matter of taste. Unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately) we don't all like the same things.

The problem in this FL instance is that requiring recognized accreditation is an objective criterion (albeit of a secondary sort). But as soon as the idea of "valid" yet non-accredited degrees is introduced a squirming can of worms is opened. The defined accreditation standard is tossed out in favor of a vague and undefined standard of "validity".

What in the world IS a "valid" non-accredited degree, how are these things recognized and who gets to decide?

Let me say that I believe very strongly that there are valid non-accredited degrees. I believe that because I personally like the schools in question and feel that I can easily justify them to others. The problem I'm addressing is how these vague and personal matters of educational taste can be applied as if they were objective criteria defining the applicability of the law.

It seems to me that you need to either lay down an objective criterion that gives the same result no matter who employs it (even if those individuals don't agree with it), or else keep the law out of the matter of degree-acceptability entirely and let the individuals concerned make their own choices.

 

Yes I have read the threads, and continue to prefer to reading than responding simply because of the vitrolic attacks passed off on anybody who disagrees. However because I have learned a lot from this forum I continue to read and learn what I can. So I know what you affirm to be true as to cost.

Nevertheless, the only issue I said is lack of money is reason why a lot of people go to these other schools...I am not validating the legitmacy of these schools, their curriculum, effectiveness, nothing. Some people do not want to go in debt paying back loans when they have no guareentee that they will even be able to get a job in their field, let alone at a salary that they can pay it back.

I do not advise anyone to go to them, including KW. However in my field, there are some speciality schools that are not RA but are brick and mortar that may one day be RA. I have no problem encouraging people to go to those schools.

I said it is a lack of money. If you do not have a dollar in your pocket and need one hundred...when you get your check and pay your necessary bills with no extravegences and you only have 10.00 left that is a lack of money. Some people work but can not find the money to CLEP, portfolio, etc. because they are working poor. Working a second job is not possible because then there is the child care issue. That is another issue perhaps not suited to distance education but rather to budgeting. Yet it impacts the issue at least in part. That is a reality that exists for many of the people who do not go RA.

Secondly it is money because the RA schools are losing it. That is why the RA school that I mentioned tried to adapt, as oppossed to their former position of utter disdain for anyone who did not matriculate through their doors. Money drives more things than we care to admit.

Ironically my wife's boss is going to KW....I think she said for her doctorate in Education... They work at a local college.