DETC MBA's becoming less attractive ?

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  1. manjuap

    manjuap New Member

    Columbia southern MBA is $225/credit (36 credits) + books
    Cardean MBA is $500/credit (45 Credits) + books

    Both are DETC


    Below are RA and B&M Schools offering Distance/Online MBA's.

    Liberty MBA - $235/credit (36 credits) + books + video + 1 wk short recidency

    Saint Leo University (Over 100+ yr old B&M school) $290/credit (36 credits) + books

    There are many other universities to the list ....

    Does it make sense to join these DETC schools and spend
    $money$ ?:rolleyes:
     
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  2. Dennis Ruhl

    Dennis Ruhl member

    Actually Columbia Southern is $ 175.00 per credit if you enroll in 4 courses at a time. You complete the courses sequentially and can pay monthly. Enroll in one course at a time and it is $225.00.

    They also mention something about 20 % off for a limited time.
     
  3. Steve King

    Steve King Member

    In a word, “No.” Unless there is something that compels you toward a particular DETC-accredited school, I'd choose a school that's RA. There are a couple of simple reasons why.
    • The work you complete at an RA school can be transferred much more easily than from a DETC school. You might not be thinking of transferring mid-program or going for a doctoral degree now, but it's nice to have those options.
    • A few employers are very picky about the accreditation of a candidate's degree. (e.g., my own company, colleges & universities, and some U.S. Federal agencies.)
    It’s not so cut-and-dry if there is something a DETC-accredited school offers that you cannot find elsewhere. So, you bring up a good point, how can DETC-accredited schools expect students to continue to pay as much, or more, than what RA school's are charging?
     
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  4. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member


    Not everyone knows about accreditation and for some DETC or RA wouldn't make a difference. I know that Cardean has an excellent business team that markets its MBA at the corporate level, the sales strategy is to tell prospects that they have an MBA that was designed in combination with top MBA schools and professors. The student feels that he is going getting top quality for less price.
     
  5. manjuap

    manjuap New Member

    Re: Re: DETC MBA's becoming less attractive ?

    Thats a Ridiculous strategy and the tution is Outrageous !
     
  6. Dennis Ruhl

    Dennis Ruhl member

    Re: Re: Re: DETC MBA's becoming less attractive ?


    Yup
     
  7. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    Re: Re: Re: Re: DETC MBA's becoming less attractive ?


    "The unique relationship between Cardean and five leading schools, Columbia Business School, Stanford University,
    The University of Chicago Graduate School of Business,
    Carnegie Mellon, and the London School of Economics
    and Political Science, has produced a world-online M.B.A. second to none. "


    http://www.cardean.edu/cgi-bin/cardean1/view/newsletter_article.jsp?article=jan03_article1&visitor=guest
     
  8. Dennis Ruhl

    Dennis Ruhl member

    Re: Re: Re: DETC MBA's becoming less attractive ?


    Yup, but it seems to work.


    I wonder whether the 5 universities know they are being used to sell someone else's product.

    The University of Alberta used to love hiring University of Chicago PhDs. They also had at least one from the London School of Economics. My favourite London School of Economics student would have to be Mick Jagger.
     
  9. I think that if DETC graduates do well in the market, and many of them advance in their career and become Sr. managers, executives than we will see increase in acceptance of DETC degrees in industry.

    In Academic world it may be impossible.
    Because RA school discriminate - usually don’t accept DETC degrees for University teaching positions on regular basis.

    So one with degree from DETC school cant pass trout RA Mafi
    Oops - I meant Institutions of Higher learning accredited by RA Maf - oops Agencies.

    I hope that DETC accredited schools will earn a good name in Industry and that may open a door to a better acceptance in the academic world.

    Mikhail



    :p :p :p
     
  10. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member





    Some of the DETC schools have excellent programs. If the school is virtual like JIU or TUI, do industry differentiate between a Cardean and Touro degree?.
     
  11. The fact that regionally accredited colleges refuse to accept credits from another school because it is not regionally accredited flies directly in the face of national policies advocated by American Council on Education (ACE), the American Association of Collegiate Registrars and Admissions Officers (AACRAO), Council for Higher Education Accreditation (CHEA), et al. The real issue here has less to do with the academic quality of the sending institution, and more to do with anti-competitive business practices of the receiving institution. Competition is heating up in higher education, and there are forces at work to control the inroads being made by “upstart” operators. Congress, the Department of Education, and the Department of Justice have been looking into this anti-competitive practice (MAFI)by higher education, and we suspect we will see significant activity in the coming months on this matter.
     
  12. Steve King

    Steve King Member

    You do? I get the impression that if something isn't related to terrorism or the budget, the Federal government doesn't have time to deal with it anymore.:(
     
  13. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    "Anti-competitive business practices"? Because some schools won't accept other schools' credits and/or degrees? How is that "anti-competitive"? Where is the line drawn? What about unaccredited schools? Degree mills?

    There is, IMHO, no way this will be at all addressed. There is no problem, except with students/graduates of nationally-accredited schools. Hardly a power base.

    There is an old saying; "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em." That seems to apply here. Just because DETC, for example, decided to start accrediting degree-granting schools doesn't mean RA schools have to accept it.

    As for government intervention on this matter, don't hold your breath. RA schools sometimes don't accept each other's credits and/or degrees. Is the federal government going to intervene and require that they do? Hardly.
     
  14. Mary A

    Mary A Member

    On the issue of RA accepting National Accredited school credits, (not an issue with DETC schools since they do not participate in federal aid) I have often wondered about the fact that a student can receive financial aid to attend a resident nationally accredited school, but if they eventually decide to transfer to a regional school and again become eligible for financial aid, if the RA school does not accept their credits, aren't we having to pay for them to retake those credits - especially if they have qualified for federal grant money that does not require the student to repay the aid? I think the issue is only at the AA and BA level, but I would guess that at some point someone will begin to add up the costs and if the cost is great, as I suspect it could be, that is the point at which it MIGHT get some attention. Until then, nothing will change that affects everyone - we'll just have to continue dealing with it on a case-by-case basis.
     
  15. PaulC

    PaulC Member

    Re: Re: Re: Re: DETC MBA's becoming less attractive ?

    Of course they know. It is Cardean that made the deal with the schools in question.
     
  16. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Regarding this issue of competition someone proposed (here or on another forum) that it even occurs among National Accreditation agencies. The person speculated that ATS has the requirement that schools accredited by them accept grads from other ATS or RA schools as a hedge against TRACS (a conservative accreditor who is competition for them as ATS accredits the spectrum). Whether this is accurate speculation or not I do not know.

    It does bring up an interesting point. National & Regional Accreditors have the same recognition (USDoE/CHEA). At the post secondary level their seems little reason to refuse transfer of credits (assuming equivalency) other than self protection. For example, the USDoE as I recall commended TRACS methodology and there is probably no reason not to transfer credits or use a degree as meeting admission criteria to a ATS school. Some of this is changing and DETC degrees can be considered for admission at Capella and TRACS used at at least one of the Oklahoma State Universities. Probably others in both cases.

    This protectionism is even evident among RA schools. We had some bad blood between our local State University and transfer credit. Both RA. The community college was upset that the state university would not accept many of the undergrad credits for transfer to Bachelor programs. Common wisdom said that the state university was upset that folks were trying to save money and go to community college first thus depriving the 4 year state university of $$ & bodies. So they retaliated.

    Accreditors do good jobs but they are also territorial. I do not know that this job could not be done as well by Dept of Education regulators. It probably could be done less expensively for the schools involved. This is the norm in other countries.

    North
     

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