Touro or Univ. of Glasgow?

I wanted to ask my fellow learners on their views and thoughts of the University of Glasgow. I presently am studying at Touro Univ. Intl. for a Bus Admin. Ph.D. I don’t know if just being overwhelmed I am questioning schools or maybe this other opportunity would be better. I came upon the catalog and information the other day and the DBA program sounds very good. They are based on self-study and only require one trip to Scotland at the end. Also they are only 5000 pounds a year compared to our US DL tuition’s that are fairly expensive. I don’t know if it might be the chance to have less structure of courses or the ability to work on my own? (Not to mention I teach at a college, consult and have a newborn, whew) I find myself looking at this other opportunity? Please send your thoughts on the program if your familiar with it or views of what track you think would be more beneficial for a college teacher wanting to get his terminal degree.

 

Glasgow is one of the U.K.'s ancient universities (founded 1451) and has an international reputation for excellence.

Touro University International????????????? What on earth is that???

 

I wanted to see the accrediation on their website, and they do not show a business department, do you have a link.

Touro is a great school as well. I have some of the sames questions as you, and am considering a school in England and Touro.

Some might not know Touro, but that does not make it a good school, with a growing reputation.

 

OK, I found their site information. Can't find accreditation info though.

 

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Thanks for your thoughts Kristie, the link I was sent is
www.gla.ac.uk/schools/business

 

Info

Kristie

It stated in the information on the site of 550 years of academic acumen. Thanks

 

Re: Info

550 years of no accreditation is as good as a degree mill in my opnion. Especaillay if you want to teach, accreditation is important. I will look at the link and post here the results.

I am not saying that is the case here, but just becuase someone has been around a long time, doesn't make it a strong institution.

 

Re: Re: Info

Unfortunately, I think your post shows the common confusion over accreditation being primarily a United States concept versus the governmental regulation more common in other countries of the world.

The University of Glasgow has a Royal Charter, which means it meets the strict UK Government standards to be allowed to issue degrees. And in the UK, no institution is allowed to call itself a University nor to grant degrees without a Royal Charter. This is but one reason why the UK generally does not have the degree mill problem that plagues us here in the States. Our governmental oversight of higher education is minimal compared with most other countries of the world. Note that accreditation in the USA is not required by the government, and is a private, proprietary process that may or may not have much relevance to the quality of the institution. It all depends upon which entity is doing the accrediting. Some accreditation agencies are indeed considered a 'stamp of approval' that does correlate to the quality of education, while others are not.

http://www.gla.ac.uk/schools/business/mba/question_answers.htm is the link noting that the school's MBA program is accredited by the AMBA, the UK association of business schools. Scroll all the way down to the bottom to read this.

So if accreditation is a major marker of educational quality for you, rest assured that the University of Glasgow seems to have accreditation in spades, both from their government as well as private accrediting agencies.

Note that the issue of accreditation vs. Royal Charter has been discussed on this board on countless occasions. There are many UK and Commonwealth academics on this board, and they are happy to explain why they think a Royal Charter is far superior to the accreditation approach as primarily practiced in the USA. Please do a search for details.

Regards,

Michael Lloyd
Mill Creek, Washington USA

 

Michael is correct. But University of Glasgow is more interesting than most. It was established by Papal Bull in 1451 (a "bull" being a lead seal used to authenticate the Pope's documents). In 1577, the university received a new charter (and new constitution) from King James VI of Scotland. Well-known former employees of University of Glasgow include Adam Smith (Wealth of Nations) and James Watt (steam engines). Plus more recently, several recipients of the Nobel Prize.

"As good as a degree mill." Heh.

(My source: History of the University of Glasgow)

 

There are so many factors involved in choosing a doctoral degree program, especially in regards to the fit between the candidate and the advisor, but assuming that all things are equal, and assuming that the airfare doesn't put you over the top of your expense account, I'd pick Glasgow in a second over Touro. If nothing else . . . think of the golfing opportunities.
Jack

 

Come on guys.... I do not think it is fair comparing a four year old branch campus to an academic institution with 550 years of track record.

What Touro achieved in the past four years was truly remarkable...

Eli

 

Is it possible that U. of Glasgow would be easier than TUI? That seems hard to imagine! Does anybody have any comparison?

Marko

 

I only mean when someone says "it has been around for 550 years", that dooes not hold water, except in relation to a great number of other things. It sounds like this institution may fit that.

Many UK institutions , Like Henley, have both - why haven't they received both?

 

I can't say if TUI is harder than any UK or Australian university, but it is certainly a lot much easier to get accepted for their PhD program. When I applied in 2000 for the PhD, all it took was a 100 dlls and an online application to be accepted in few weeks. No dissertation proposal or high GPA was required, not even transcripts or letters of recommendation. Some people claim that the program is very rigorous, but certainly it is not the case for the admission process.

 

Correction:

TUI require a min. GPA of 3.2 (which is common to most schools) for admission plus original (sealed) transcripts. Moreover, I know of several students applied to the Ph.D. program and were rejected and some had to take prerequisites.

Do you mean students applying to US schools are expected to submit a dissertation proposal as part of admission procedure?? I did not get this one.

Eli

 

Most of the universities ask for a preliminary research proposal as part of the admission process. When I applied to TUI, the GPA of 3.2 was not required, so I guess that with the time the requiments will be more rigid.

It is normal that TUI started with low admission requirements since it was a new school and needed students to start with the program. However, if they want to increase their prestige they will have to increase their admission requirements. (For example GMAT, 3.5 GPA ).

 

Prestige will come with time as they evolve and they are evolving smartly. BTW, the requirement mentioned in my previous thread were applied since 1999. I did apply Sep. 1999 and it took 17 days for the acceptance.

As for the GMAT, I still fail to see its importance to Ph.D. students. Personally, I think it is worthless and most definitely not an indicator of performance. For what its worth, I had to sit for GMAT as one of the prerequisite for my MBA (long time ago).

Naturally, more admission restrictions will be enforced if Touro is keen on acquiring additional business accreditation (e.g. AACSB).

Is it true that AACSB requires 5 years out from the first graduating class? So I heard.

Eli

 

Amazing insularity

I assume that Kristie7 is just being cantakerous or just mischievous? Scorpio asks a reasonable question about the DBA programme at the University of Glasgow (founded 1451, er before Columbus got to the islands of the caribs) and Michael lloyd explained neatly the official standing of the University and oxpicker mentioned two of the well known employees of Glasgow University (Adam Smith and James Watt - there is a galaxy of other 'stars' to add too).

Then Kristie7 joins in, obviously ignorant of the credentials of this most ancient of Scottish Universities or merely being deliberately obtuse and tells us he can't find its 'accreditation'! He/she then discovers that Henley Management College - a worthy single discipline institution with a Royal Charter for that discipline only, indeed but not a University - 'has both' (??). 'Both what'? What has Henley, a small management college near London, got that Kristie7 thinks is lacking in Glasgow?

If Kristie7 thinks that the University of Glasgow (or any of the ancient Scottish universities - Edinburgh, St Andrews, Aberdeen; or indeed, Oxford or Cambridge) would place its 'accreditation', whatever that means in the context of the UK, on its web site, or anywhere else, he/she has no idea with what he/she is dealing with.

Allusions to 'degreemills' in the context of the ancient universities of the UK is laughable evidence of either insular ignorance or petty disrespect.

For Scorpio198, please be assured that the University of Glasgow is a sound, long established university, and its management school is excellent. Its DBA has been available for a few years in distance format. As long as you don't read 'one visit only' to Glasgow as indicative of a low standard you will be fine.

RFValve would have preferred a hard time getting into Glasgow. Of which thought I comment it is not the input criteria that determines worth but the output criteria. Admission confusion (that of Queen Margaret University College, Edinburgh and the recent posts of 'Spies' for example) is not a badge of pride (some South African university administration are notable examples).

I should say I have absolutely no connection with Glasgow University, though I have been a guest lecturer there on many an occasion. I am also writing on Adam Smith, who was a student at Glasgow in 1737-40 and a Professor there in 1751-64.

 

Re: Amazing insularity

If I remember correctly, Kristie is looking for a distance doctorate program that is AACSB accredited. I believe that it is either a work issue, a teaching issue, or both. It seems that Glasgow is not lacking in prestige, but when dealing with bureaucracies sometimes common sense is not of the utmost importance.

Tony

 

Professor Kennedy and others:

I was very upfront with the fact that I did not know about this school, but when one says "it has been around a long time", I think that a school needs to have other qaulifications than time. When I receive spam from degree mills, they always say how long they have been around. That was the reason I said:

"I am not saying that is the case here, but just becuase someone has been around a long time, doesn't make it a strong institution."

Why is that so ignorant - all I said is to get ore information...

Someone like Henley having received both, meaning their governmental accreditation, and AACSB accreditation. Especaily when marketing to US students, having additional accreditation more familar with the target market, I believe might help their case.

Profes Ken "Then Kristie7 joins in, obviously ignorant of the credentials of this most ancient of Scottish Universities or merely being deliberately obtuse and tells us he can't find its 'accreditation'! "

I made it clear I was ignorant of this school, but took the time to look at their website - All institutions I have searched will have a page on Accreditation, which is not the case with this one, my question was why? Also, Dr. Bear's book lists institutions, with their accreditation, showing its importance. It is suspect to me why they would not, so I asked the question - if one drew answers from a simple question, I can't be held accountable for those conclusions.

Also, pay close attention to the original posting - they want to use this for teaching - making accreditation important.

I am sorry if I offended anyone with my ignorance of my posts, I am still new to the forum (been on less than a year) and put my opinion in as I see it. As I learn more, of course my opinion is refined to the information I have. But I stand strong when I say that accreditation IS important, and I still question why this isn't outlined by the school, and only on one of the MBA pages.

I received information about Henley here on the boards, since I was looking for a Business Doctorate with AACSB accreditation, for my purposes to show accreditation importance, I thought it was relevant.

Prof Ken: If Kristie7 thinks that the University of Glasgow (or any of the ancient Scottish universities - Edinburgh, St Andrews, Aberdeen; or indeed, Oxford or Cambridge) would place its 'accreditation', whatever that means in the context of the UK, on its web site, or anywhere else, he/she has no idea with what he/she is dealing with.

First, I did not make the comparision to any of the other schools, so not sure where that shot came from, and if this statement means that accreditation is not of the upmost concern for these institutions, be aware, if you want to use this in the US, that accreditation IS important, and the degree may hold higher recognition in Scottland than here. It all depends on what the overall goal is in the end, but as I read the post was for teaching.

Scorpio, make sure not to choose a school that does not fit your needs. This one may, I just caution you, you also may want to ask your local University if they would hire someone with a degree from that school - I have ruled several out this way.

Information is the key.