Teaching Question

Discussion in 'General Distance Learning Discussions' started by Han, Jan 27, 2003.

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  1. Han

    Han New Member

    My Sister In Law is finishing up her undergrad, and is looking for a credential program. She is being told that she is going to HAVE to be an intern for a year (unpaid).

    I am researching for her an other options, any suggestions. I know of Project Pipeline, but any others out there?
     
  2. Jack Tracey

    Jack Tracey New Member

    If I understand you question correctly, you're asking about alternative routes to teacher certification...
    Many states have these alternative routes although they are typically described, in my experience, as being for mid-career professionals who want to switch careers. They may not see your not-even-graduated sister-in-law as fitting that description. The best way to check it out is to have her peruse the state DOE web site wherever she lives. These "alternative route" programs are typically well advertised and many allow for the "internship" period to be done in the first years of employment. Be sure to advise her to check the border states where she lives. Her own state may not have a great program but there could be a good one just across the state line. Good luck to all.
    Jack
     
  3. Han

    Han New Member

    To clarify, she has been teaching at the Montessori school (ages 2-4) for the past 10 years. She is 30, so not mid career, but could not take off work for a year without it causing major problems.

    She is trying to get the internship waived, sice she has so much experience, but she does want to go into Kindergarten, which makes a multiple subject credential needed. She graduates this semester. Honestly, she was not aware of the "no pay" part, and now realizes why there are so few teachers out there.
     
  4. duff

    duff New Member

    What state is she in? I would think experience (even private, non state) would count as her internship or "student teaching". It is all going to depend on the Department of Education in that state and most of them do not make exceptions.

    MI for instance does not even have a "Lateral Entry" type of program. You had to have graducated from one of their state education programs or come from a state where you already have your license. How settled is she? Would she consider moving to another state?
     
  5. Han

    Han New Member

    She is here in California, and since my borther has his business here, the chances of them leaving the state is zero.

    I went to the CA website, and they have several programs, the problem is that no schools seem to have openings. I think I will recommend to take applications and CV's to each of the schools and see if a principal will talk to her.
     
  6. armywife

    armywife New Member

    If she wants to obtain teacher licensure so she can teach in public school system she needs to go to the University of Phoenix online. I am obtaining my Masters in Elementary Education through them. Very easy, simple process and it is full accredited. She will need to do about a month of student teaching at the end of the program.
     
  7. Bill Grover

    Bill Grover New Member

    I have the Calif Standard Secondary Teaching Credential ( for Life). It took five years to get. (BA plus one year..or in my case 45 semester units past BA). If I remember rightly I had to do either a semester or a year of student teaching for free. But it was only one period a day. Think it was a year. Yeah it was, got 6 units for it. The prior year I had to do "Observation and Participation" for a semester. These are great learning experiences and 8 years later then at Oregon State I field supervised student teachers. OOPS, sorry..old man's memories.

    Hope those who seek find,
     
  8. Han

    Han New Member

    I guess she is surprised that she has been a night student, and now she has no choice, but to stop being paid for the same work she has been getting paid for the last 4 years. And after that she will really make the big buck .... what a joke... it isn't like a year of residency for a Doctor who will be making a six figure salary, the starting salary for her is $24,000 (after no pay) - oh what a great life she will lead, but fortunately she cares about children, a saint!

    I now understand why the public system is the way it is.
     
  9. MarkIsrael@aol.com

    [email protected] New Member

    California teacher layoffs

    kristie7 writes:

    > the problem is that no schools seem to have openings.

    Well, of course!

    "In the coming week, thousands of California teachers with the least seniority face the prospect of getting layoff notices. Districts facing shortfalls due to proposed state budget cuts are sending out pink slips to teachers with just one or two years on the job. State law requires that teachers be notified five months before a layoff. Because many teachers start working in mid-August, districts must send out notices by March 15 if there is a chance a teacher will be let go."

    -- http://www.knoxstudio.com/shns/story.cfm?pk=EDU-LAYOFFS-03-10-03&cat=LS

    So, she should try again in August.
     
  10. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Depends where you go to work. Around here teachers start at 30,000 per year (and this is by no means a well paid state or area). On top of that although they put in long hours during the day, they get the equivalent of almost 3 months (summer plus other holidays) off so the 30,000 is for the equivalent of 9 months work. They also get annual raises (step increases).

    Compare that with a civil servant (say CPS) in the same area who does not get annual raises, is on call (all hours) to investigate abuse/neglect cases and go to court, have great liability, extremely over worked, etc. Make in the mid 20,000 range and have rare step increases and rare raises.

    Life is not always fair. Teachers work hard for the money but the are by no stretch the least paid of the children's advocates or professionals.


    North
     
  11. Ian Anderson

    Ian Anderson Active Member


    I took a class this weekend and several fellow students were Califonia public school teachers. One of them told me that CA has a continuing education rewquirement of 150 units every five years (with no tuition refund either). Is this correct?
     
  12. ahchem

    ahchem New Member

    Well that is almost correct. The requirement is 150 hours, not credits/units, but clock hours. This can be accomplished through a variety of means, taking classes, going to conferences, even doing research/reading/curricullum development under a mentor. It is not really that difficult to accomplish this in five years.
     
  13. Christopher Green

    Christopher Green New Member

    The mighty forum~~

    Greetings to the mighty forum~~~

    I have a friend here in Bakersfield who did basically nothing and still got his Clear credential renewed. So it's not a problem.

    Kristie7~

    I'm glad you are sticking up for you sis. I'm going through my student teaching "without pay" right now. My wife and I live with family, and we currently have no income. I'm blazing through the requirement, dwindling my savings account and looking at the future prospect that after all the layoffs my credential may not count for diddly after it's done. We'll see.

    But as far as I can tell, the requirement for her is the same as mine, which is 400 hours. Depending on the credentialing program, they will allow you to do this a number of ways. Bill referenced that he did one hour a day for a long period of time. I'm taking 6 hours a day over a very short period of time. But the standard is, for one and for all, 400 hours. Choose the credentialing program carefully.

    Also, have her check into getting a "long term sub." If she "has subject matter" then she can replace someone who is on maternity leave, or if someone just wigs out. In CA it pays, I think, very similar to the salary of a full timer AND you can do your student teaching in tandem with it. That's the best option I am aware of by far.

    Chris
     
  14. Anthony Pina

    Anthony Pina Active Member

    Kristie,

    Since you are a CSU grad, you might be interested that the Cal State U. system has a new program that might work for your Sister-in-Law. It is called CalState Teach:

    http://www.calstateteach.net/public/home.html

    Quote from the web site:

    CalStateTEACH is a non-traditional program that allows working teachers to earn their credential without attending traditional college classes. Instead, the curriculum is delivered using a self-study format. Participants use online, print and CD-ROM materials. They share ideas through web-based “class discussions,” and get professional feedback through on-site coaching. CalStateTEACH participants enjoy personal guidance from mentor teachers at their school site as well as CSU faculty. They communicate and share ideas with other participants via a special Internet website.

    Hope this helps.

    Tony Pina
    Faculty, CSU San Bernardino
     
  15. tcnixon

    tcnixon Active Member

    Re: California teacher layoffs


    My district is sending lay-off notices to a thousand teachers. Certainly some will be re-hired. There will be no new hires next year. They will fill open positions with teachers that were laid-off. This is likely to be a common scenario for many districts in California.

    As for internships, I know that some districts still have them, but others are moving away to comply the "No Child Left Behind" mandates concerning emergency credentials.



    Tom Nixon
     
  16. MarkIsrael@aol.com

    [email protected] New Member

    Re: California teacher layoffs

    Tom Nixon writes:

    > There will be no new hires next year.

    Are you sure?

    Obviously the laid-off teachers will get first crack at the positions. But what if a position requires some special qualification (e.g., fluency in a particular foreign language), and the laid-off teacher who previously held that position decided to move elsewhere?
     
  17. nobycane

    nobycane New Member

    Come to Florida...........they are hurting so bad for teachers.

    I am persuing a 2nd Bachelors in math.......when I graduate - i'm applying for a Cert w/ FL DOE.

    68% of the jobs down here are looking for teachers w/ or w/out experience. If you have had another job that you did training, seminars, and such (like i have)......they are tickled to death!

    In fact, I have 3 districts with my name an number, they want me to call as soon as I graduate....for a job.
    They are hurting for Math & Science teachers on all levels!!!!!
     
  18. tcnixon

    tcnixon Active Member

    Re: Re: California teacher layoffs

    I know that people who are laid off stay on a list for two years. As positions become available, they *must* be offered to people on the list. Clearly districts are going to be different on this (based on the individual district's contracts with the unions).

    As to your question, the only possibility *might* be special education teaching positions. Given the languages that are taught locally (English, Spanish, Hmong, French, German, etc.), it isn't difficult to find someone to teach them. We don't offer courses in languages like Urdu or Xhosa (both of which might be more difficult to find a certificated teacher for).

    We don't and have not had a teacher shortage here for quite some time. In a city of 400,000 we have four teacher credential programs. We have too many graduates.


    Tom Nixon
     

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