ACCS New President

Discussion in 'General Distance Learning Discussions' started by Robert, Nov 6, 2002.

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  1. Robert

    Robert New Member

    I was just looking on ACCS web sight and now Fred Hambrick is the President.

    Is this a major shake up? Or was this planned and a positive move?
     
  2. Bill Grover

    Bill Grover New Member

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    Someone at ACCS told me today that Shealy "has retired." A major shakeup? In what way? Hambrick, has been the ACCS VP of academic affairs. Now if an Arminian becomes pres then we do have a problem:D
     
  3. Howard

    Howard New Member

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    A problem in that the scope of thinking might have to be a little broader???????????????????
     
  4. Guest

    Guest Guest

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    Much broader! :D
     
  5. Bill Grover

    Bill Grover New Member

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    One thing I like about ACCS is that both its creed and the faculty/staff are representative of 'broader' evangelicaliam. The seminary Dean has his doc from Oral Roberts so I'd guess he is Pentecostal. Hambrick the new Pres has degrees from Southwestern Baptist and Luther Rice so I'd guess he is Baptist. On the otherhand the theology texts are by Grudem distinctly Calvinistic and Williams, said to be, but I question. At any rate in DL my experience is 'scope' is limited. I could just as easily use an Arminian textbook were there any good ones:D
     
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  6. Guest

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    Admittedly, the higher percentage of textbooks seem to be written from a Calvinistic position, however, several reasons could exist:

    1. More Calvinists were predestined to write theologies.

    2. More Arminians chose not to do so, convinced the Remonstrance was sufficient.
    3. God takes delight in confusing each new generation with the plethora of Calvinist volumes.

    4. Since God is the author of sin, and condemns multitudes to an eternal hell simply for his "own good pleasure," does one really need a reason?
     
  7. Howard

    Howard New Member

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    Wish I'd said that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (((((-:
     
  8. Bill Grover

    Bill Grover New Member

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    did you see my gift to you for your 2000th was three free shots at Calvin with no rebuttal. That's ONE !!!:D ...and it hurts!
     
  9. Guest

    Guest Guest

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    Bill,

    Here are my other two free shots (requests):

    1. That you would recognize you have been elected, predestined and foreknown to be Arminian.

    2. That I get 1,000,000 more free shots.

    But lets not become too lighthearted, one never knows who may be offended. ;)
     
  10. Bill Grover

    Bill Grover New Member

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    But Russell, (7) how do you know I do not but bait(10) you, re Arminius(1) , as you do me re Trinity (8)?


    Perhaps I like the system(11) which replaces God's grace(12) with man's effort, and deems unregenerate(9) man not so bad after all despite Ephesians 2! (2)

    It could be that it makes sense to me that not only is the divine provision in Christ(13) sufficient for all, but that God actually intends it for all even though from eternity He fully knew(14) who would accept that provision and who would not, despite Acts 20:28 which so limits that provision.(3)

    Perchance it makes sence to me that were God to through prescience see a man accept Him by the strength of that man's own good nature(15) that God also must nevertheless elect(16) that one He just saw electing Him despite Ephesians 1 which denies that very notion that God's choice is based on man's choice (4)

    Maybe I accept that man would or could when made spiritually alive by God be yet of a nature then ,or possess the power to, resist God's pull despite that drawing being irresistible according to John 6. (5)

    And yes likely it does make sense that that one ,in the first above, so naturally equipped to stand spiritually on his own, now is the very one, not God, who by his powers must continue to be deserving of his own salvation through a daily fight against evil. (6)



    Hmmm.., I see how you know I do not actually accept Arminius. Your assumption is correct that no reasonable person, which I clearly am, would accept such a gobbletygook theology(hee,hee) (17).


    notes:


    (1) Arminius= a heretic of the Reformation period too dumb to see the virtues in Calvinism!
    (2)In Calvinism man is able to do much good horizontally but is not able because of being spiritually dead to please God.
    (3)This is out of logical order but refers to Calvin's belief that while Christ's merits are for sufficient for all in God's plan they are intended for those who by God's grace accept them.
    (4)this connects to Arminius' notion that election is based on divine foreknowledge of those who choose Him. It based on the Greek 'proginosko' and the Hebrew 'yada', both of which I could easily demonstrate mean much more than knowledge of but include a relationship as well.
    (5)this refers to Calvin's doctrine that as man is unable to choose God by his own powers God chooses man and then draws that one to Himself.
    (6)Arminius taught that a man who chooses God and is chosen by God and is foreknown from eternity as one of God's children and who has been "washed in the blood of the Lamb" must nevertheless keep his nose clean or God will cast him into the pit of fire!
    (7) Russell is my good pal , inept at theology, who jests with me and our comments are only lighthearted and lightweight..the latter especially his!
    (8) a non RA, NA, GAAP DL school in Indiana, one of Russell's beloved hobbyhorses, which school misrepresents the utility of its "acrreditation".
    (9) ie, not "saved."
    (10)as in using liver on a handline for a fat Minnesota bullhead.
    (11)Theogy is developed through interlocking doctrines which together form systems
    (12)ie, unmerited favor
    (13) ie, "God so loved the world He gave His unique Son", Jo 3:16
    (14) evangelicals generally believe God is prescient
    (15)Calvin by contrast belived man spiritually dead
    (16)ie, choose
    (17), =naw, I'm just spoofin

    THAT WAS THREE, WAS IT NOT ??? :D :D :D :D :D
     
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  11. Guest

    Guest Guest

    I have a neat idea, Bill.

    Why don't we transform DegreeInfo into a "Cyber-City of God," somewhat like Calvin's Geneva (Remember?). Then we could eliminate (err, get rid of) all those who disagree with us.
     
  12. Bill Grover

    Bill Grover New Member

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    Because aside from its impropriety for all the good friends here who disagree with us, unlike some of their misguided progeny the apostles did not carry the Gospel in one hand to present to their auditors and the sword in the other hand, so that if those who heard acquired not salvation then they lost their heads.

    Although an evangelist friend told me his mentor always preached with a single action Colt .45 next to his Bible on the pulpit! Ostentatiously the sidearm was for the protection of the flock from town rabblerousers, but one wonders if its presence did not add to the efficaciousness of the sermon.

    But the biggest reason to avoid the coercion implied in your suggestion is that I , unlike you, believe it is all destined and that God will have His way, so I do not see it that we must create an environment of restraint or compulsion.


    As an aside, I am wondering about the effects of diabetes on a feeling of closeness to God. For on nonwork days I can allow my condition in the early morning after arising to ferment, that is, if I eat nothing, then very quickly I drift a little and though I become cloudyminded, it seems to have the enlightening effect of a fast of several days. In these times tears come to my eyes in thankfulness for so many blessings , including my studies, and more material matters begin to wane in relative importance.

    BTW, my big beef with Arminius is that he denies that the Son is autotheos (ie, God from Himself)!
     
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  13. Robert

    Robert New Member

    hijacked

    i can appreciate banter about Calvin and Arminus, however this thread was set up to discover what is going on at ACCS.

    So maybe you want to start new thread.

    As a student of ACCS i am concerned that the school is heathy and moving in the right direction. When i log on to ACCS web sight and find a new president it makes me want to know what is going on.

    So that being said

    God bless

    Robert
     
  14. Bill Grover

    Bill Grover New Member

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    Sorry Robert

    Didn't realize that when someone begins a thread only the initial topic can be discussed without the permission of the one who started the thread! .. Yes you set up the thread to learn about ACCS. But you know if someone has info for you, they've not responded. But i suppose that they still could despite Russell distracting and annoying way ..don't you think? Or do you think that if we so joke then no one will answer you ? Im not ignoring you, I said I called and was told Shealy retired, that's all I know!!

    But it looks like no one here has pacified your concern that if a school has a new president then perhaps that is cause for alarm. I still don't get the reasons for your concern. But others here know more than Iabout these things. But have you called the school? Have you called TRACS? have you talked with the seminary dean? Have you talked to Beaville?
     
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  15. Bill Grover

    Bill Grover New Member

    Hi Robert

    After posting above I got on the phone just now with Dr Beville who is director of admissions. He assured me that ACCS is strong and viable and has as its biggest need tools and personnel to handle the increased number of students. He said steps are in process to meet this need. I want you to know that I can understand your concern, but I don't think that Dr Shealy's departure means the school is in trouble. People regularly move on in their lives and we are all mortal.
     
  16. CLSeibel

    CLSeibel Member

    This thread actually raises some interesting questions about the sort of experiences a DL student should expect to have as an individual "extension" of an institution's campus family. One might ask, "What is a given school doing to provide its non-residential students a sense of connectedness to that institution's life?" Many schools distribute a periodic newletter to their DL students to keep them informed about "what's new." In some situations, when major developments occur in an institution's life (e.g., a change in the presidency), some schools actually provide students a letter of explanation. Some students will value such communications more than others; however, these efforts to keep students informed demonstrate a healthy service-orientation, and do communicate to students that their institution values them as extended members of the academic community.

    So, what is ACCS doing in this regard? What should be expected? Why should Robert be left in isolation to figure out whether or not the institution at which he is enrolled is falling to pieces or merely undergoing a run-of-the-mill passing of the torch?

    Cory Seibel
     
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  17. Bill Grover

    Bill Grover New Member


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    I agree. It should not be found out by us DLers that Shealy is gone by our happening to get on the ACCS site, which even there no explanation is given. Trinity, for all it deficits does maintain its own discussion forum. Perhaps ACCS could too.
     
  18. Bill Grover

    Bill Grover New Member

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  19. Robert

    Robert New Member

    Not as up tight as it seems

    First let me say that your imput is appreciated. When ever i see Bill Grover, North, and Russell come up with a thread or comment i read it. We have very simular interest.

    My apparent paranoia may come from the fact that this is the first time i have done DL. In my pursuit of a program i researched and researched looking for a good program that would fit my needs. I almost talked myself in Trinity Newburgh but after reading what has been said over the years about the school i did not.

    So i found ACCS and then looked for Negative talk. I found non that scared me away. I talked to Mitch Beville and new that this was a good move. So that being said, when i log on and find the pres is gone and not a word except a not too flattering picture of the new pres. I wonder what's up.

    Now, as to contacting the school. I have a call into Mitch B. He as yet not returned my call. I am sure he will, or i will just call back.

    I do believe that it would be great if the school put some time of Monthly spot light on the web. Just to let us DLers know what's going on.

    I think ACCS could learn from Trinity on how to run a web sight.

    Thanks guys for the input

    God Bless

    Robert
     
  20. Robert

    Robert New Member

    forgive my spelling and grammer

    Wow after reading my reply i everyone who reads it an apology.

    I kannot spel :D
     

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