Trinity question

About a year ago, when I was close to signing up with Trinity (the one with the Liverpool accreditation), I asked a rep about the school's plans to pursue RA status.

He responded: "We are not allowed, by law, to discuss such matters."

What law could he possibly be talking about?

When I pressed him on the issue, he said he could only comment on the school's "present status."

I thought that was strange.

Roscoe

 

Roscoe:

Bill Grover is the resident expert on all matters regarding Trinity/Liverpool. When he reads this post he WILL respond to your inquiry.

 

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No ! I will not respond. Ever since Trinity, that school which misrepresents its accreditation for lucrative profit and which maintains ties with MDS for lugubrious preposterousness banned me, I have , by not being able to visit that forum anymore, been able to rid myself of any uncontrollable urgings to say anything at all unfavorable regarding theftuous Trinity!!!!!!!!!!!! (I love my 16 pound dictionary). So Steven and Russell may forego that paxil prescription or lobotomy they had planned for me.

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With some accreditors, applicants are not allowed to advertise that they are applicants because the fact that they have applied my bring undeserved credibility to the school.

Against the law? Don't think so.

 

Well since Bill Grover won't respond, I'll just say that claiming it's against the law to talk about potential accreditation plans is an interesting twist to the normal diploma mill con-game that is played about accreditation. This claim may sound strange but when looked at within the proper context that they are a degree mill then I believe it should make more sense.

 

But is Trinity a degree mill?

 

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Caught you Russell! You LOVE to talk about Trinity right? If Steven sent you that Paxil perhaps you should pop a few my friend.

BTW, you are expecting us in November, right????????

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Huh?

 

I have the Paxil, and a few Xanax, which I am holding pending the Trinity's RA accreditation efforts. :]

At the very least, I feel I should start an IV on someone... :]

Steven King

 

If TTS achieves RA, it will take more than an IV for Bill. :----}

 

Roscoe: There's no such law. A TTS rep told me "in confidence" (rope the sucker in, see) that they had applied to NCA for RA. The suspicious Carpathian peasant got on the horn to NCA, whose rep told me that there had been no contact of any kind made by TTS, let alone an application currently being investigated. Search this site and you can find my posting of exactly what the NCA person told me. The NCA site lists for all to see which schools have NCA accreditation, are applying, stage of application. etc.
As a graduate of a REAL seminary in Indiana (note Groverian capitalization!) I, uh, quake whenever I think of Newburgh.

 

It depends on your definition of degree mill. I call them a degree mill because their degrees seem absurdly easy to get (according to Bear's Guide) and they claim bogus accreditation which is another sign of a degree mill. On the other hand, I think the name Trinity is a fine name for a school with great educational tradition, unlike using Kennedy which seems to be a popular degree mill type name.

 

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What do you mean, "Huh"? Don't you remember on the "Deep Question" thread me telling Bill D. that if I could I would visit you so that I could tease you about your theology? Then you wrote there that I was invited to visit you in Burlington anytime and that yours was the house with statues of Wesley and Arminius in front? So I wrote back and said something like "Praise the Lord and pass the Standard oil card" cause me and the wife and the kids and the dogs are hoppin into our '78 RV in November and driving to see my good pal Russell who just invited me to visit for two weeks and that while you polish your statues all day I'll read from Calvin's institutes to you?????????????? Hope you have a big washing machine! You're not changing your mind are you Russell? I mean, I know one can lose one's salvation in your system, but I didn't think one would lose an invitation!!!!!!!!!!

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Bill Grover, who completed 2 or 3 courses with Trinity, has stated that the quality/quantity of work was never an issue.

 

I do indeed remember, Bill.

And you have an open invitation anytime. The guidelines are as follows:

1. You are welcome to stay those two weeks at the RV Park.
2. Burlington also has a do-it-yourself laundry. The washing machines take quarters, so bring plenty of them.
3. The dogs are welcome to stay at the local kennel.

Now while I'm shining the statues, well, yes, you can read from Intsitutes of the Christian Religion . Just remember, I've got a copy of the Remonstrants. <grin>

 

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Russell

Calvin's election is not closed tighter than your hospitality!

 

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Since Russell insists on putting me in these Trinity discussions and then wishing me to go into analysis for being in them, I'll give my opinion. It is subjective but its veracity should be measured by my unhappiness with that school, by my desire to be truthful despite that dissatisfaction, and by the fairly wide experience I've had in other religious and secular education.

My opinion is that Trinity requires as much or more work as the several schools I've attended. One three sem hour grad class (Christology) required the listening and responding to about a dozen cassettes. My written responses to these cassettes totalled about 50 pages and made much use of exegesis of the Greek text. Around 1000 pages of reading was required and the writing of three papers of about 20 pages also was mandated. A proctored, subjective test followed the completion of the assignments. On one of these submissions I received an "F" which suggests to me that the prof had high expectations. Later I submitted a very carefully written 65 page paper and from him got an A. While the prof (PhD, Dallas TS) and I disagree about Chalcedon, I feel he is knowledgeable and fair. All three profs had RA docs. As said this is my opinion and BLD who did a class there disagrees. What I do not know is whether the same rigor is exhibited by all grad students and with what consequences; that is, if the student cannot really do grad quality work, is he allowed to continue and get his doc? I do find my dissertation supervisor at Unizul to have higher expectations than Trinity faculty, but then I did no dissertation work for Trinity.

My beef with Trinity has always been their misrepresentation of accreditation, not their requirements for courses. Why not prove their virtue by the quality of what they do rather than by false and unchristian claims of global accreditation and worldwide acceptance. I believe unaccreditation is NO sin , but lying breaks a commandment!

 

It now appears to me that the problem at Trinity regarding education requirements is probably an issue of quality control and adhering to their own policies. I'm sure that Bear's Guide would not say that the degrees seem "absurdly easy" if there was not some direct evidence to the fact. We've seen other examples of this phenomena in the past for other degree mills.

I believe this to be a real danger of unaccredited institutions. As they pursue the almighty dollar, they seem much more willing to cut corners when there's no one looking over their shoulder. (RJT, state licensing does NOT count as someone looking over one's shoulder. That's more like listening from a block away for explosions and gun shots. For some states like Wyoming, they only listen for large explosions.)

 

Just kidding, Bill.

Bring the whole family, man. Remember that closet that I was using for a seminary? I can have that thing renovated by November, and turn it into guest quarters.

<grin>

 

If Trinity prof's have high expectations from their students, and;

If Trinity is a degree mill, and;

If I made an "F" on one of my submissions, WOW!

I would hate to think I failed a degree mill submission. <Embarrassed, humiliated, ashamed>

However, it seems that Trinity did NOT accept any level of submission, but required something of substance.