Course Requirements of K-WU

FYI: At the undergraduate level, it's not a thesis K-W requires as RJT stipulates; it's a study paper. The document format is 75 pages, double spaced, 12pt. sans-serif, with 1.5" borders all around the page. The entire effort is delivered in five chapters. Chaps. 1-3 are the study proposal, chaps. 4-5 are the observations and summary. While charts and diagrams are not enumerated pages, bibliography, TOC, reference pages etc. are included in the count. Therefore, this Herculean effort is in reality 20-30 pages of business formatted text. A minimum of 8 external references must also be cited. Add to this crushing burden, the exactitude of 5 or 6 open book course examinations and viola, out spews a duly earned University Degree; complete with the Great Seal of the State Of Wyoming! (This year anyway). And BTW, I was one of the dolts required to do the full curriculum of 6 courses; my negotiation skills are lacking I guess. Anyway, never was there an exam with any more than 60 questions. I recall RJT mentioning 100 response papers. Not true, at least in my case. I found the exams to be a joke. I was *embarrassed* to have my Pastor proctor my tests. Even he thought they looked too easy!

I think I just answered my own nagging question as to whether or not K-W is a mill.

 

Thanks OG. While I can appreciate your experience - mine was different. First, as I mentioned, in my case, the test questions were between 75-100, for courses required for a BS in Mgt. Second, yes, technically at the BS level the thesis is called a Student Paper. However, in my case, I found the report to be intensive. The subject I wrote about was work related, and I got pretty caught up in it. My paper exceeded 120 pages, so it is closer to the MA requirement of 100 pages. Third, by your response, you indicated that you used proctors, so you did not use the on-line option? ... Had you, I am certain that you would have found answering even 60 questions, within a two hour window, challanging, had you not studied properly. I maybe a lousey speller, but I certainly am not stupid - as the matter of fact, when I attended an RA school, I always maintained a 3.5 GPA. However, I even flunked a course at K-W, and had to retake and restudy. I am disappointed you are referring to K-W as a mill. However, you have a right to you own opinion.

Regards,

RJT

 

1) A wordy study paper, does not a thesis make!

A study paper is just that, a regurgitation of your findings in study. A thesis however, is a published challenge based upon your own innovation. It need not be correct, just defensible. A study paper might detail the frictional differences between rubber on road and steel on track. A thesis might present your theory and substantiation for the efficiencies to be gained by reducing the anvilular cross-section of the track; (although the train might rattle somewhat) big difference methinks.

2) Online and Proctored tests differ only in media. I’ve done both with KW. The number of questions, content, and time constraints remain the same. Mostly multiple guess, er…choice. I’m neither the brightest nor the dimmest bulb in the pack but I’ve found the KW exams to be a lark. I scooped a B once without even cracking the recommended text!

Nice try though.

Cheers…Randy

 

Why are there so many comments about K-W? Please remember that there are many other unaccredited (but state-licensed) universities that need to be discussed.

Sincerely,
RA (holder of an MBA degree and CBM credentials)

 

We have a K-W promoter and possible employee of K-W (RJT) that keeps bringing it up with the hope to get some students looking for an easy way out. He has been erased many times from the group but he finds his way in. I must say that he is a good marketing promoter of this university, my guess is that he must be getting free tuition from K-W for marketing.

 

Oracle Guy,

were you scammed by K-W? did they give your money back after you found out they were a scam? Why did you consider them in the first place?

I'm also located in Canada, and canadian education is far more cheaper and better than those degree mills. Did you consider Athabasca before enrolling with K-W?

 

OK, I confess!!!!!!!!!!!

If I can get 10 people to enroll with K-W, I get my degree tuition free.

Can't a guy earn a decent education without being criticized?

 

I am thinking of that joke in which, to save time, all the classic jokes are assigned a number, so someone just says "43" and everyone laughs or groans, as the case may be.

Wouldn't it be great if the people who run this forum could assign a number to the near-identical posting that RJT has made dozens of times (or is it thousands), so that he or she could just post, "43" and we'd all chime in with our criticisms of KW-U (which, in turn, could be assigned numbers).

"43."

"71!" "114!!!" "82!!!!" "157!" "208!"

 

The fact that K-W has an office in California and Californians are denied enrolment is already a 'joke' ! Perhaps RJT should care to explain why ?

 

Bingo!!!

 

Kennedy-Western University is a degree mill.

Hi I'm just trying to make this thread accessible if in the future someone does a search.

 

Yes, I feel scammed. I enrolled 3+ years ago (while living in the US) , realized my mistake, and attempted to get my money back. Too much hassle. Hung around the KW pub, got all pumped up again, finished all my courses, but now am faced with the final paper. Not the most difficult undertaking of my life, but still a reasonable effort nonetheless. (Not a thesis RJT). I’m now 2 years pregnant. KW wants $$$ in “late delivery fees” before they issue my “Degree” which, I’m now convinced is shite at best.

Yes, I’m now an Athabaska student, although I’ve not yet been instructed on the secret handshake. Still going through the admin process -- attempting to get into a post diploma program. They are currently evaluating my Military studies for equivalence.

BTW, I found a Diploma Mill on the net, that for $199 USD, will mint you a Degree from “America’s Prestigious Kennedy-Western University”!

Randy

 

Interesting, K-W let you complete the work late but only required payment to get your diploma? Were you still assigned an advisor even though you hadn't paid the "late delivery fees"? Could you still receive tutoring if you owed "late delivery fees"? I had assumed that K-W would just sneer as they let their students "twist in the wind at the end of a rope" to reduce costs. So I'm very interested in your response. Letting late students continue taking courses would be a minimum cost but any of these other services, I thought that they would cut off as soon as they could.

LOL, I love it. A scam to scam the K-W scammers by scamming the victimized scammers into thinking that they can scam the employers with a scammed scam diploma!!!

 

Probably RJIT's business, after the promotion on this group he has must be expecting few students going for it.

BTW, Did you try the B.Sc in Information technology from Jones International? they might credit some of the credits (not the ones from K-W) and if you have an ORACLE certification it may count also.

 

LOL, that would sure explain alot!

 

Be done with it!

Oracle Guy:

How can you claim that K-W Scammed you, they never claimed to be accredited. The school is clear that they are - State Licensed. The school is upfront in regards to a sliding timeframe reimbursement policy. You've already been enrolled for a couple of years.

How can you judge how difficult the paper is going to be, without having done so? K-W is clear that a good portion of fulfilling requirements rests on the completion of the student paper proposal and the final paper.

My advice, complete the paper, and be done with the school. Leverage/or lack thereof, the K-W Degree, as you personally feel appropriate.

Bottom Line: K-W has degree requirements of which you have yet to complete, you also had time early on to withdraw, but you continued for several years. Stop griping, pay the piper and move along to another instrument. Do not bash K-W or it's students for your decision.

You'll thank me later.

 

That's #43, to which I reply, "129!*"

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* 129 = "Yawn."

 

Bingo!

I don't know what Americans call the game of bingo (housey housey also in the UK) but I think all my numbers have come up today on this thread! Bingo! What's the prize - an honorary doctorate?!?

'telfax'

 

Re: Be done with it!

As Canadians, the state licensed term means the same as accredited as here all the universities are approved by the government and we don't have accreditation bodies. So the term "State licensed" is indeed deceptive, and it is specially meant for the poor foreign student that doesn't understand US accreditation. If K-W was honest, they would use "unaccredited degrees" so the student knows exactly what is he getting into. I know many foreign students that arrive to Canada with their "American unaccredited degrees" and they are rejected admission to grad school. So, yes, it is a sort of a scam if you ask me.

It is not a game to bash K-W, but most of the money these guys are making is because the poor foreign student that can't afford a "real education" and invests in this kind of degrees with the hope to improve his standard of living. K-W and the similar are nothing more than scammers taking advantage of the ignorance of the people. Last year I had a student in my class from Pakistan with a degree from a "mill" operating from UK. She was really angry that she spent so much money and energy to find out that she had to do it all over again in order to get her Chartered Accountant license. So if Oracle guy has learned from this experience, he would accept the lost time and money and better invest his time in more productive things. It is the money that we put in these scams that stimulates the creation of more mills, and we should put an end to it.

 

Re: Be done with it!

Thank you? Not bloody likely!

Cold-blooded, opportunists like you taint the whole D/L experience. You swindle folks with partial truths, false claims, and ridiculous assertions. The very fact that you skulk the net shrouded in three (bogus no doubt) initials attests to your nefarious intentions. What’s your job this week RJT? What academic standing shall you boast of today? I’ve seen your counterfeit claims over numerous chat boards.

It infuriates me to ponder some poor soul in Indonesia, Singapore or Malaysia, spending his family’s “fortune” on a K-W education. Filled with dreams of coming to North America and crafting a better life, he hits the boarder only to find out, “Sorry kid, your Diploma is worthless here for a visa”. “Next in line please”. But in the spirit of good’ol K-W, be proud kid, you worked hard, the courses were challenging and of course, licensed in the State of Wyoming. What a contemptible display.

And BTW, I’ve *never* bashed a single KW student, here, the pub or anywhere else. Unlike you, I’m able to draw the distinction between principles and personalities. But in this case I’ll break with tradition, because hustling rubes like you make me want to puke. Consider yourself bashed you phony.

Over and out.

Randy