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    Here's Shahin Pourgol: Dr Shahin Pourgol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanislav View Post
    Yeah, that was puzzled me too. It seems that Commission for Independent Education is an entity that provides such authorization. Florida is a Mecca for unaccredited healthcare training schools; look at how many weird entities in that database offer RN-qualifying AS Nursing. Yet NUMSS is not even on the list. And listing an incorporation document as proof of recognition is an old degree mill trick.
    A PhD in Osteopathic Clinical Science sounds pretty academic and I would think someone would need to approve. The confusing one is the DO from Spain that Dr. Nuzum uses because without explanation people could think you were a Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine.

    The Canadian branch appears limited to diplomas. Perhaps Canada is more restrictive? Or he lives there and it is easier to have issues with regulators so does not issue degrees from the Canadian branch?
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    The Canadian branch appears limited to diplomas. Perhaps Canada is more restrictive? Or he lives there...
    A bit of both, I think. It may take YEARS*, but if you award degrees here without proper approval, "they" will likely get to you eventually. Maybe sooner, if it involves health care.

    * Vancouver Worldwide U. and Northland Open U. both granted degrees for some years. No health care degrees that I know of.

    We're not unauthorized-degree-free up here in the Great White North, eh, but the number of "schools" is low.
    We tend to FRREEEZZE them out over the winter. No amount of back-bacon, poutine or maple syrup seems to help them...

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    This is interesting. Assuming it is accurate and the agreement is still effective.... NUMSS DO graduates can be accepted with advanced medical standing at the Caribbean Medical School in Curacao. The medical school appears to be accredited and tuition is pretty reasonable. Complete MD in two years.

    NUMSS DO graduates can complete MD program of Caribbean Medical University in 2 years - a photo on Flickriver

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garp View Post
    This is interesting. Assuming it is accurate and the agreement is still effective.... NUMSS DO graduates can be accepted with advanced medical standing at the Caribbean Medical School in Curacao. The medical school appears to be accredited and tuition is pretty reasonable. Complete MD in two years.

    NUMSS DO graduates can complete MD program of Caribbean Medical University in 2 years - a photo on Flickriver

    Caribbean Medical University is approved by the Government of Curacao as well as listed in the International Medical Education Directory (IMED) directory of the Educational Commission for Foreign Medical Graduates (ECFMG) and World Directory of Medical Schools.

    The recognition makes our students eligible to take the United States Medical Licensing Examinations (USMLE), to allow CMU graduates to participate in the medical residency training programs through the Electronic Residency Application Service (ERAS) and finally to apply for a license in the United States, subject to the licensing board regulations. ECFMG Certification is a requirement for international medical graduates seeking unrestricted license to practice medicine.

    Recognition of the Medical Council of Canada (MCC) and the Canadian Resident Matching Service (CaRMS) provides certification and eligibility to take the Medical Council of Canada Evaluating Examination (MCCEE) and to apply for a license to
    practice medicine in Canada, subject to the Canadian licensing board regulations.

    Accredited Caribbean Medical School - Caribbean Medical University


    That's a BFD, as Mr. Biden might say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by decimon View Post
    That's a BFD, as Mr. Biden might say.
    Yes, it is a BFD. No doubt. I'm sure grads become eligible to take exams and apply for residencies, as the school says. Just wondering how many grads have managed to pass the exams, and be accepted to US or Canadian residencies and, having jumped through all the hoops, are now licensed, practicing physicians in those countries. Anybody have an idea?

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    It was founded in 2007 and so there wouldn't be a very big sample of test-takers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johann View Post
    Yes, it is a BFD. No doubt. I'm sure grads become eligible to take exams and apply for residencies, as the school says. Just wondering how many grads have managed to pass the exams, and be accepted to US or Canadian residencies and, having jumped through all the hoops, are now licensed, practicing physicians in those countries. Anybody have an idea?

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    From 2010: New York Medical Schools Fight to End Caribbean Schools

    That gives some idea but not the numbers you wanted. I don't know what came of the issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kizmet
    It was founded in 2007 and so there wouldn't be a very big sample of test-takers.
    No - at 45 students a year, there certainly wouldn't be. I was concerned with the 2 year NUMSS D.O.-to-CMU M.D. program which will have even smaller numbers, I guess. Looking at this low enrolment, I'd say it's not a BFD after all. At best, it's a LFD. I'm hoping it's not NFD at all - that is, I'm hoping at least somebody from the D.O. stream has made it through the test/residency hoops. I'll bet US or Canadian residencies are really hard to get for people from Caribbean schools - except maybe Ross and one or two others at the top.

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    There's another point that I'd like to make. Just as we've pointed out that not everyone who earns a PhD wants to become a university professor, it's also entirely possible that not everyone who enrolls in CMU wants to be a doctor in the US. It's hard to imagine, I know, but the US is not the ultimate destination for everyone in the world (despite everything we hear/see). I'm just sayin'
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    The school like CMU , with US-based rotations and centered on USMLE, has one main goal - get their students into U. S. residencies. And since there's no consistent accreditation standard (eg., University of Curacao has accreditation from Netherlands authorities, CMU does NOT), their standing pretty much hinges on how good they are at the main goal. There are 4 or 5 schools that are consistently decent; CMU is not one of these.

    Still, nice lifehack. NAO's DOMD is 1 year full time, NUSS DO is 2 years after that; both can be done online. If one can get MD after that in only 2 years of US-based rotations, that's 5 years instead of 7 in traditional route; substantially cheaper, too. It's just a student might get exactly what he's paying for.
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