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    I always thought San Fran at #4 was suposed to be the hot ticket for med . Not super well-known in other fields, but you get that sometimes, like UNLV for Hotel and Restaurant Management . I went to a school for undergrad that has a reknowned engineering program but only in a niche field. When I've told people from certain parts of Asia that I went to such-and-such university, they sometimes say "Wow, WHAT a school!" Then I tell them I never set foot in the engineering building in four years and the whole rest of the university is perfectly average, the third best university in a state with very average universities, and then they are confused and a bit disappointed.

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    I'm skeptical about rankings like this. Especially ones that start out with a paragraph like this article begins with. Is this really a list of the "best" medical schools (whatever that means) or a list of medical schools most attractive to foreign students? (Those aren't typically the same thing.) How can UK medical schools all suddenly all get worse, simply because the UK tightened up issuing student visas? Why were UK medical schools previously considered the 'best'? Because they taught medicine well or because they attracted lots of students from Asia or wherever it is?

    I would be inclined to grade schools separately on medical research and on physician preparation. Those two aren't necessarily the same thing. And those scores are apt to differ depending on whether one is examining preparation of general practitioners or specialists. There are medical schools that don't produce a lot of medical research but do produce very good physicians. And vice-versa.

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    UCSF may not be well known among the general public outside the Bay Area, but it's huge among scientists and medical professionals. You can bet that everyone at Harvard Medical School knows all about it.

    FTF notes that UCSF isn't well known in subjects apart from medicine and the medical sciences. That's because it doesn't offer them.

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    UCSF is the biomedical specialty campus in the UC system. It began back in the 19th century as UC Berkeley's medical school, then spun off and became a separate UC campus. It's analogous to the U. Mass. medical branch in Worcester or the SUNY medical campuses. In recent years UCSF has been expanding aggressively into biotechnology, biochemistry, genomics and quantitative biology. It's produced something like 5 Nobel prizes in those areas. It's #2 in the US for all universities in NIH research funding. It also produced some of the early biotechnology. Genentech spun off of UCSF (and then got in a big lawsuit with its parent over ownership of some patents).

    In the last few years UCSF's built an entirely new campus in the Mission Bay neighborhood of San Francisco, filled with new research buildings. Now that those are in, they are building a set of new teaching hospitals just to the south. And there's a whole collection of private corporate biotech research buildings going up in the surrounding blocks as well, just to be around the action. (The Golden State Warriors are building their new basketball arena nearby too.) It's a huge transformation for an area of the city once filled with abandoned rail yards. The joint's jumpin'.



    It's extremely well-regarded in physician preparation too. Here in the Bay Area, UCSF and Stanford are thought of very much as peer institutions in medicine and various related biomedical subjects. The 2017 US News rankings have UCSF as #3 in the US for both medical research and training primary care physicians.

    I'll say that the best general practitioner that I've ever met in my own life was a graduate of UCLA. Extraordinarily thorough. One time he just looked at a patient and suggested a possible diagnosis for a puzzling condition that had stumped a number of other physicians. It turned out to be right. Impressed me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heirophant View Post
    I would be inclined to grade schools separately on medical research and on physician preparation. Those two aren't necessarily the same thing. And those scores are apt to differ depending on whether one is examining preparation of general practitioners or specialists. There are medical schools that don't produce a lot of medical research but do produce very good physicians. And vice-versa.
    Med school rankings and nursing rankings I've seen do bifurcate those exactly as you suggest, so obviously you're thinking's right in line with the experts on this; discovered this recently while looking up schools for a daughter of mine who aspires to be an MD (annoyingly proud father alert). My university ranks nationally in terms of prep for their nursing program, very well-regarded, but they're not even on the radar for research rankings nationally.


    Quote Originally Posted by heirophant View Post
    FTF notes that UCSF isn't well known in subjects apart from medicine and the medical sciences. That's because it doesn't offer them.
    Had no idea that was the case, always assumed they were just another university with a full range of offerings (but at least I did know they had a majorly elite med school).

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