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    Nationally accredited doctorate for teaching college classes

    Hello. I want to teach college classes, perhaps online. I want a doctorate, but they are very expensive. I have a regionally accredited masters degree, but I am thinking about doing a nationally accredited doctorate degree. Do you folks think I can become a college professor anyway with those credentials at a regionally accredited college? I'd love your thoughts.
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    I believe it's certainly possible; there have been people who've achieved tenure at RA schools with no doctorate at all, but they brought some sort of other expertise or notoriety to the table.

    I think some factors to consider are the field of study, the school where you would earn the doctorate, and the type of school where you'd like to teach. If you'd be happy teaching at an RA community college, where a Master's is generally all that's required, the doctorate would just be icing on the cake, so to speak. If you aspire to teach at a large university, then your doctorate will come under more intense scrutiny.

    So, I think the definitive answer is......"maybe".
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    It might depend a little on the subject to hope to teach. NA doctoral degrees are professional degrees and even the DA from Harrison Middleton is a teaching degree of sorts. In many cases your competition for jobs will be coming from people with RA doctoral degrees. We are generally led to believe that the NA doctoral degree will lose that competition in the vast majority of cases. It might give you an advantage over a Masters degree holder in the competition for a CC teaching job. Others may have a different opinion
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    Considering how poorly online teaching usually pays, it's rarely worth it to get a doctorate just for the chance to maybe get a few more gigs. Probably better to take 18 regionally accredited semester-hours in something that's hard for schools to find, like finance or statistics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anngriffin777 View Post
    I want a doctorate, but they are very expensive. I
    "Expensive" is kind of an ambiguous term. Let us know a comfortable price range and perhaps someone here can identify some regionally accredited programs instead (then we can debate the pros/cons, merits, challenges, whatever of teaching online).

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    Quote Originally Posted by anngriffin777 View Post
    Hello. I want to teach college classes, perhaps online. I want a doctorate, but they are very expensive. I have a regionally accredited masters degree, but I am thinking about doing a nationally accredited doctorate degree. Do you folks think I can become a college professor anyway with those credentials at a regionally accredited college? I'd love your thoughts.
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    Your odds are better if you spend more and get an RA doc. It's the safer route.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anngriffin777 View Post
    Nationally accredited doctorate for teaching college classes

    I want to teach college classes. I have a regionally accredited masters degree, but I am thinking about doing a nationally accredited doctorate degree. Do you folks think I can become a college professor anyway with those credentials at a regionally accredited college?
    Hi anngriffin777. To answer your question: Yes, you can teach at an RA college with an RA Masters degree, particularly if you have valuable industry experience.

    Do you have any other questions you would like to have answered?
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    Quote Originally Posted by me again View Post
    Hi anngriffin777. To answer your question: Yes, you can teach at an RA college with an RA Masters degree, particularly if you have valuable industry experience.

    Do you have any other questions you would like to have answered?
    That's not true, you technically don't even need a masters degree. I went to one Community College randomly and found four facility members teaching with no masters degree at all. The more rural you are willing to go, less credentials you need to teach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by b4cz28 View Post
    That's not true, you technically don't even need a masters degree. I went to one Community College randomly and found four facility members teaching with no masters degree at all. The more rural you are willing to go, less credentials you need to teach.

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    What did he say that was not true? He said that you can teach with a masters, which is true. He did not say that a masters is the minimum required for all teaching jobs.

    There are some differences between the accreditors; but, from the guidelines I've read, an associate's or bachelor's is usually recommended for vocational instructors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveFoerster View Post
    Considering how poorly online teaching usually pays, it's rarely worth it to get a doctorate just for the chance to maybe get a few more gigs. Probably better to take 18 regionally accredited semester-hours in something that's hard for schools to find, like finance or statistics.
    Online teaching pays squat for sure, but I think Ann is just asking about teaching in general.

    However, your point is relevant to classroom teaching as well; a doctorate is a huge investment of time and money if the sole purpose is to be an adjunct somewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sanantone View Post
    What did he say that was not true? He said that you can teach with a masters, which is true. He did not say that a masters is the minimum required for all teaching jobs.

    There are some differences between the accreditors; but, from the guidelines I've read, an associate's or bachelor's is usually recommended for vocational instructors.
    You are taking me all wrong, it wasn't an attack. I found at that one school other instructors teaching course ranging from Human development to Criminal Justice .

    I checked other schools in rural areas and found the same. Seems as thought there is some slack in SACS. I taught a vocational course for several years at a CC at the time only had to have an associates degree. But the courses were for non-credit or could only be applied to a vocational associates degree. My friend teaches AC and has no degree, just the proper license
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    Hi anngriffin777. To answer your question: Yes, you can teach at an RA college with an RA Masters degree, particularly if you have valuable industry experience.

    Quote Originally Posted by b4cz28 View Post
    That's not true, you technically don't even need a masters degree. I went to one Community College randomly and found four facility members teaching with no masters degree at all. The more rural you are willing to go, less credentials you need to teach.

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    Hi b4cz28. As Steve Levicoff would say: < SIGH >

    b4cz28, yes, it IS TRUE that anngriffin777 is eligible to teach at an RA college if she has an RA Masters. It's not a guarantee of employment because other variables must also be considered i.e. industry experience, certifications, instructional vacancies, the needs of the institution, politics, etc. However, to address what you are referring to, below you will find general RA guidelines for instructional qualifications at various levels.

    Degree Level & Academic Requirements to Teach at Various Degree Levels:

    1. AAS - Instructor needs to have an AAS in the discipline to be taught (and/or needs to be certified or licensed in the area to be taught).

    2. AS - Instructor needs to have an AS in the discipline to be taught.

    3. AA/BA/BS - Instructor needs 18 graduate-level credits in the discipline to be taught.

    4. Masters - Instructor needs a doctorate with a "specialization" in the discipline to be taught. The specialization must be listed on the doctoral transcript.

    5. Doctorate - Ibid

    (The above is rusty, so others can feel free to add updates or changes)
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    Quote Originally Posted by me again View Post
    4. Masters - Instructor needs a doctorate with a "specialization" in the discipline to be taught. The specialization must be listed on the doctoral transcript.
    A "related field" or "closely related field" is usually sufficient. In my CJ Master's program, I had professors with doctorates in (besides CJ/Criminology ) Sociology , Psychology , and Human Development . At my undergrad alma mater, the head of the CJ Master's program has his Ph.D. in Cultural Anthropology .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce View Post
    A "related field" or "closely related field" is usually sufficient. In my CJ Master's program, I had professors with doctorates in (besides CJ/Criminology) Sociology, Psychology, and Human Development. At my undergrad alma mater, the head of the CJ Master's program has his Ph.D. in Cultural Anthropology.
    That's true. And sometimes the field is completely unrelated. For example, our CJ program (circa 2001) had a tenured professor in the CJ department with an EdD , but he also had experience as a police chief, along with peer reviewed publishings. However, it seems that today, many institutions are tightening-up their requirements to be more in-line with RA standards (but not always). For example, there was a recent article here about a university that stopped a tenured professor from teaching philosophy because their Doctor in Philosophy degree was not in philosophy, but it was in a completely unrelated field.
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    A large university, where I know people, advertised in the Chronicle of Higher Education -- the main place in the US for faculty help wanted ads -- for a position involving online work and four on-campus weeks a year. HRM. In the first week, they got 478 replies.

    Ms. Griffin (whom I used to correspond with privately) has three demographic characteristics that may well improve her chances.

    I have told here the story of how my wife, with an RA PhD in philosophy, was told by the local community college that she did not meet their degree requirements to teach philosophy. Because philosophy is in the humanities department, she would need a Master's in humanities. Happily she had one of those -- the online MA from Cal State Dominguez Hills -- and had a long and happy teaching career.

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    Quote Originally Posted by me again View Post
    Hi b4cz28. As Steve Levicoff would say: < SIGH >

    b4cz28, yes, it IS TRUE that anngriffin777 is eligible to teach at an RA college if she has an RA Masters. It's not a guarantee of employment because other variables must also be considered i.e. industry experience, certifications, instructional vacancies, the needs of the institution, politics, etc. However, to address what you are referring to, below you will find general RA guidelines for instructional qualifications at various levels.

    Degree Level & Academic Requirements to Teach at Various Degree Levels:

    1. AAS - Instructor needs to have an AAS in the discipline to be taught (and/or needs to be certified or licensed in the area to be taught).

    2. AS - Instructor needs to have an AS in the discipline to be taught.

    3. AA/BA/BS - Instructor needs 18 graduate-level credits in the discipline to be taught.

    4. Masters - Instructor needs a doctorate with a "specialization" in the discipline to be taught. The specialization must be listed on the doctoral transcript.

    5. Doctorate - Ibid

    (The above is rusty, so others can feel free to add updates or changes)
    I understand this all. I'm saying it seems lots of people are getting on at rural CC's with the minimum. Just saying lol. Not trying to start stuff...for once ;)

    I was just surprised. I expanded my search to four CC's and found over 15 faculty members without the proper qualifications.
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