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    Nominee for Comptroller of Currency misrepresented his degree

    That's what the L A Times says today: Trump nominee for powerful bank regulator post misrepresented college degree - LA Times

    The White House says he didn't.

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    A pair of two week programs that used to be held at Dartmouth. Not quite a degree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Bear
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    If you get tired of the ostrich thing, John, I'm sure you'd be welcome here in Canada. But you should know: the Citizenship Test involves a blindfold ID-by-taste test of 18 brands of beer (unless religion forbids) AND a 10,000 word essay on the Stanley Cup Playoffs - even though (at present) the Sacred Cup is firmly in the grasp of an American team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph Otting
    Joseph holds a Bachelor of Arts degree from the University of Northern Iowa in Cedar Falls, Iowa, and is a graduate of the School of Credit and Financial Management at Dartmouth College in Hanover, New Hampshire.

    Company Overview of The Graduate School of Credit and Financial Management, Dartmouth College:
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    Is the allegation that:
    (1) He did not graduate from the program?
    (2) or he listed it incorrectly on his resume?
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    Quote Originally Posted by me again View Post
    Is the allegation that:
    (1) He did not graduate from the program?
    (2) or he listed it incorrectly on his resume?
    Interesting! The pragram looks like it misleading-not maybe the graduates. They are many of these programs around with the blessing of the universities who collect big bucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by me again View Post
    Is the allegation that:
    (1) He did not graduate from the program?
    (2) or he listed it incorrectly on his resume?
    The latter. It's not a program offered by Dartmouth, it's a continuing education short course that was offered by a third party on Dartmouth's campus. To be fair, he doesn't use the word "degree" (although the L.A. Times screws up and does so). In fact, if he didn't refer to "Dartmouth" then I wouldn't really see a problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveFoerster View Post
    The latter. It's not a program offered by Dartmouth, it's a continuing education short course that was offered by a third party on Dartmouth's campus. To be fair, he doesn't use the word "degree" (although the L.A. Times screws up and does so). In fact, if he didn't refer to "Dartmouth" then I wouldn't really see a problem.
    I do have a problem with the program. What are graduates suppost wo write.

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    Graduate School Of Credit And Financial Management At Dartmouth College - is an educational institution.

    I inserted the dash to better highlight the problem. It looks like he should be given the benefit of the doubt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveFoerster View Post
    It's not a program offered by Dartmouth, it's a continuing education short course that was offered by a third party on Dartmouth's campus. To be fair, he doesn't use the word "degree" (although the L.A. Times screws up and does so).
    The NYT article appears to be a "political smear job" because the guy is a nominee of President Trump. The guy does not claim to have a degree from the program, but he does rightly claim to be a graduate of the program. The NYT editors are very deceitful about this dishonest smear campaign.

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    Graduate School of Credit andFinancial Management International (GSCFMI)
    Conducted on the Campus of Dartmouth College


    The GSCFM International program is held on the campus of Dartmouth College in Hanover, New Hampshire. Hanover is a picturesque community nestled in a valley on the banks of the Connecticut River. It is a little more than two hours by car from Boston, five from New York and three from Montreal.

    Dartmouth College dormitories house participants, staff and instructors during the program. Meals are provided for participants, who are encouraged to attend every meal to facilitate professional networking and build fellowship among the faculty and other participants.

    Participants may be required to complete advance-reading assignments so they are prepared to be actively involved in class discussions. Any assignments or reading lists will be sent to participants in advance of the program. Attendance at all scheduled class sessions is mandatory. So each student maximizes on their attendance, participation in the discussion of assignments, class activities and projects is required.

    On the final night of GSCFMI, a celebratory dinner is held. This final evening crowns four days of intense course work and solidifies newly-cultivated relationships.

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    I was contemplating going back to school to get an MBA degree. While attending a conference, I checked out the presenter's biography. Included was a degree from the NACM Graduate School of Credit and Financial Management (GSCFM). I was intrigued . . .

    The NACM Graduate school is an advanced Credit and Finance course put on by NACM every summer for two weeks each year. Held at Dartmouth College, it takes two consecutive summers to complete the course (Year 1 and Year 2 students). During the last week of the second year, you are given the option of taking the CCE Exam.

    The costs of this program are oftentimes covered by your employer - especially since this type of education is specifically designed for your actual job duties and responsibilities. As a credit manager - this education , CCE certification, and diploma from the GSCFM would be of the most benefit to me and my career, as opposed to an MBA .

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    I'm going to almost agree with me again. It's not a degree but the guy doesn't claim it's a degree. It's not clear that it's a "certification" either but I suppose that I'd create a certifications section on my resume and stick it in there. It seems closest to the truth. I think it's deceptive to imply that it's a Dartmouth program just because they used a Dartmouth building and I'd go so far as to say that it's deliberately deceptive. Still, I'm not sure I'd say it's all that big of a deal and they probably really are trying to smear the guy because he's a Trump nominee. To me this seems like much ado about nothing. I'd call it a misrepresentation. Remove the word Dartmouth and replace it with the name of the company that actually ran the program. Call it a cert or a "post grad program" or something that makes it clear that it's not a degree. Now if the guy is not qualified for the job he's been nominated to take that's another matter. You can grill him all day if you like. Otherwise I'd say, let's not make it bigger than it really is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by me again View Post
    The NYT article appears to be a "political smear job" because the guy is a nominee of President Trump.
    The linked article was in the L.A. Times, not the N.Y. Times. But the same probably applies, especially since the L.A. Times article seemed to rely heavily on a previous article from Bloomberg.

    The guy does not claim to have a degree from the program, but he does rightly claim to be a graduate of the program. The NYT editors are very deceitful about this dishonest smear campaign.
    It's a little duplicitous for him to refer to Dartmouth, but it's a real stretch to try to tar the Trump administration with this.
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    I'd also add that the guy is probably pretty stupid if he thought no one would notice that kind of cheap fakery. Another ~quality~ nominee.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kizmet View Post
    I'm going to almost agree with me again. It's not a degree but the guy doesn't claim it's a degree. It's not clear that it's a "certification" either but I suppose that I'd create a certifications section on my resume and stick it in there. It seems closest to the truth. I think it's deceptive to imply that it's a Dartmouth program just because they used a Dartmouth building and I'd go so far as to say that it's deliberately deceptive.
    It pains me to, but I also almost agree with me again on this. The guy seem to have benefitted from having the name "Dartmouth" near this credential, but so did probably a majority of people who purchased this particular CE program. The company practically forces you to list it this way; it's not as if this wasn't a consideration for them when deciding where to rent premises. It's not a big deal. I'd think Trump nominee to a regulator position would have more legitimate things about him to discuss; the press is being lazy and superficial here. It's not a "political smear job", because the press is often lazy and superficial.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kizmet View Post
    I'd also add that the guy is probably pretty stupid if he thought no one would notice that kind of cheap fakery. Another ~quality~ nominee.
    Enh, he probably just recycled a bio that he's used for years in the banking industry. This is like a "third class misdemeanor" when it comes to this sort of thing; he might be a perfectly good nominee.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveFoerster View Post
    Enh, he probably just recycled a bio that he's used for years in the banking industry. This is like a "third class misdemeanor" when it comes to this sort of thing; he might be a perfectly good nominee.
    Somehow, I doubt it. But this little factoid doesn't tip the scale, one way or another.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveFoerster View Post
    Enh, he probably just recycled a bio that he's used for years in the banking industry. This is like a "third class misdemeanor" when it comes to this sort of thing; he might be a perfectly good nominee.
    I don't know if he's a good nominee or not. I'm not sure I know enough about it to make a good judgment. I think I read somewhere in the story that he's the first person ever nominated for the job who didn't have a grad degree of some sort. In any case, if I was nominated for a job like that I think I might glance at my resume before sending it over, rather than just sending a "recycled bio." At the very best it's a careless mistake from a person who is supposed to be very detail-oriented.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kizmet View Post
    I don't know if he's a good nominee or not. I'm not sure I know enough about it to make a good judgment. I think I read somewhere in the story that he's the first person ever nominated for the job who didn't have a grad degree of some sort. In any case, if I was nominated for a job like that I think I might glance at my resume before sending it over, rather than just sending a "recycled bio." At the very best it's a careless mistake from a person who is supposed to be very detail-oriented.
    Yes. It's hardly a capital offence though, so meh. Considering that he joins the team that let the wife of the Big Guy deliver a high profile speech plagiarized from another high-profile speech, it's not that he'll drag down the average or something. Also, Rick Perry guarding the nation's nuclear arsenal.
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