DBA Career Opportunities?

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  1. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Well-Known Member

    Hey DegreeInfo-ers (lol)

    What are some possible career options for a doctor of business administration holder?

    I am considering teaching at a 2 year college but I realize a lot of them require 3 years of industry experience. Unfortunately for me I spent 5 out of my 6 years of work experience in law enforcement. I left law enforcement and I find it hard to get a job in the business field.

    I want to pursue the new DBA program at Franklin University in August 2017. I don't want to teach at a research university because I am not committed to doing continuous research.

    Please give me some insights.

    Additionally, I was thinking of earning a second master's degree while pursuing the DBA. The University of Mysore - India has a 2-year online Master of Commerce (M.Com.) for $2500. Do you think that will be a plus when applying for faculty positions?

    Ps. I'm gonna drop out of Lamar at the end of the Spring semester. I am done with the criminal justice field.
     
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  2. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    You could become a welder. If you could weld.
     
  3. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Well-Known Member

    Was that meant to be a joke?
     
  4. Phdtobe

    Phdtobe Well-Known Member

    Is Mysore opens to foreign citizens?
     
  5. FTFaculty

    FTFaculty Well-Known Member

    Not sure about the efficacy of the MComm when you already have an MBA. As for a DBA, there are no jobs for which it's required. It's generally for execs who want an additional credential and maybe a little time away from the corporate grind who are spending that magical thing called OPM ("Other People's Money"), to pursue it. This is probably why the programs are priced all out of proportion to any genuine value they could offer, it's essentially a third party payer system like health insurance often is, with predictable market distortions resulting. E.g., some of these DL DBA programs for execs run upwards of $150K, insane when you consider an exec, typically with an MBA in hand, is the one often pursuing it. What value added does a DBA from Kennesaw State or Florida provide an exec with an MBA from Duke or HBS? It's often just a b-school's goofy little cash cow in my opinion.

    That said, it could be a credential that might open some doors in the lower tiers of academia, say ACBSP or NA or otherwise non-professionally accredited. It might be a tool to validate one already in academia who wants to move onto the tenure track but doesn't yet possess a "terminal doctorate" to make this possible and doesn't have the wherewithal to take four to five years off to pursue a traditional PhD.

    Have you looked into any of the legit DL PhD programs in Management such as St. Mary's in Halifax, NS or Leicester in the UK? Or perhaps Heriot Watt's excellent research-oriented program which would in theory have some decent panache in academia? I know of one academic at Ohio State's b-school who's DBA came from H-W EBS.
     
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  6. TEKMAN

    TEKMAN Semper Fi!

    A DBA (Doctor of Business Administration) serve as your career enhancement, which is not necessary for your corporate executive level. The second the purpose of career of a DBA is a college professor, but most colleges prefer a Doctor of Philosophy (Ph.D) in Business Administration. The third would be personal enrichment, and maybe 3 letter behind your name in the business card; which sometimes it is confusing with DBA (Database Administrator)

    So, I don't think a Doctor of Business Administration worth unless it is totally FREE from a top academic institution.
     
  7. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    How much demand is there for a DBA? I don't hear much about that degree. I've run into lots of MBA holders and doctorate holders of various disciplines, but never a DBA.
     
  8. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    Well of course it's a joke but I made the joke for a reason. You see, typically people do things the other way around. Typically people have the idea of a career trajectory that proceeds through different stages and then they ask themselves (and perhaps others) "What do I need to do in order to reach those goals/stages?" Conceivably a DBA might e one answer to that question. You, on the other hand, seem to have decided to get a DBA without really knowing why. "Now that I've got this degree, what could I do with it?" Your general career goals are entirely unclear and so it's virtually impossible to say how you might use a DBA. AFAIC if you don't plan to teach then a DBA is not worth the time, effort, or money, all of which might be better spent building/developing your career.
     
  9. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Kizmet was blunt, but dead right. You're putting the cart before the horse. So far, you've suggested no reason at all you should blow a huge chunk of time and money on a doctorate. If you want to teach or be competitive for a high-level administrative position in higher ed, then do one. If not... well, then don't.

    No, not at all.

    That, at least, is a goal-oriented decision.
     
  10. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Well-Known Member

  11. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Well-Known Member

    Thanks for your input. My wording "considering" may have sent the wrong message. I am confident that I want to teach at the college level preferably a 2-year college or a university that isn't classified as a research university. I have no interest in pursuing a Ph.D. nor am I interested in doing continuous research. I actually have a goal plan that I completed a month ago when I left law enforcement. It's my route to become a community college president. The steps include teaching business for X amount of years, becoming a chair or dean, becoming a VP and then president. I know where I want to go but I was just curious about other options in case academia doesn't work out.
     
  12. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Well-Known Member

    Thanks for your input. I am interested in teaching at community colleges not prestigious research universities. Do you still think a DBA wouldn't be valued especially since 2-year colleges normally don't require more than a master's degree?
     
  13. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Well-Known Member

    Thanks for your input. I want to teach at a 2 year college and work my way up to becoming a president. I don't have any interest in a Ph.D. because I don't want to do all that research. In addition, I don't plan to compete for faculty positions at AACSB accredited business schools.
     
  14. TEKMAN

    TEKMAN Semper Fi!

    I think it would serve you better than those without a Doctorate degree at the Community College level. Also, you will never known you end up lower 4-year college likes Fort Hays State University, Lamar University, Dakota State University and etc....
     
  15. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Well-Known Member

    The online DBA program typically appeals to two types of professionals: (1) those looking to further their profession and (2) those wishing to instruct the next-generation of practitioners. (This assumes that you’re looking to teach at an institution that is not a Tier 1 research institute, which likely would require the Ph.D. instead.)

    I found this on one of Franklin's blog. I think this best sums up my goal because I am not looking to teach at a Tier 1 research institution.
     
  16. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    sometimes that little reality slap stings a bit.
     
  17. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Oh, that's different. DBA makes sense, then.
     
  18. Neuhaus

    Neuhaus Well-Known Member

    I teach at a Community College. There are some where you need a doctorate. Some where a doctorate will make you more competitive. And others where it would just be wasted time and money and bring you no closer to your goal.

    Your first step would need to be getting a teaching appointment at the school. At my school, all but a handful of the full time faculty in the business department started as adjuncts.

    Be aware that the path to becoming a college president is not always linear. You'll first need to get a job teaching at the university. Then, if you aren't already there, you'll need to get a tenure track position. Then you'll need to get tenure. Then you'll need to secure, at a minimum, a department chair position to propel you into the administration ranks. As you move up things tend to get more competitive.

    But I'm not sure why you're even chasing down this DBA goal right now. You said it yourself in your first post...

    I secured my position because they were having a heck of a time getting qualified HR professionals who wanted to teach and had a masters. They had people who, earlier in their careers, had dabbled in HR but very few dedicated HR professionals.

    Three years is a minimum. And they don't want someone who worked for three years in an Enterprise Rental Car location. They want people with relevant, mid to senior level experience, typically. HR can be tricky to get people to teach. Accounting is much harder. I've mentioned before that I have a colleague who teaches as an adjunct at Binghamton University without a Masters degree at all. Just a B.S. and a C.P.A.

    You have to have something that they need. A DBA and no business experience is not likely to attract the attention of a CC. Frankly, many of them would rather hire the retired insurance agent who ran his own agency or the guy who was a VP of Sales before the market turned. Those are the sort of folks you're up against. CCs, moreso than research universities, tend to focus more on industry experience. If you have none your usefulness to those schools drops significantly.
     
  19. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Well-Known Member

    Thank you for the wealth of information that you have provided. This is very helpful. I always had an interest in HR. Actually, the first program of study I enrolled in at a brick and mortar college was a B.Sc. in HR. However, I took a leave of absence and went to the police academy and never went back to it. I was recently looking at the aPHR certification which is designed for those with no HR experience. I'm thinking of taking it with the hopes of getting my foot in the HR field then I could work my way up and attain the PHR certification. I definitely need to get into the business world if I want to teach business and earn a DBA.
     
  20. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Well-Known Member

    Noted. Thank you!
     

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