U.S.A. physician M.D., 2 doctorates, 2 residencies seeking Fast-track PhD, advice?

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  1. DoubleDoc

    DoubleDoc New Member

    Hello, found this forum from a google search.

    My background is long:

    Bachelor degree, post-bacc, 2 doctorate degrees where I graduated highest honors, 2 residencies. I am a practicing physician in the U.S., educated in the U.S. I have 38 peer-reviewed publications.

    Is there a way to obtain a fast track PhD at this point? My publications exceed most professors I have and the amount of graduate coursework I had is a lot. I saw some posts about PhD by publication, online PhD programs. What are my options? Realistically, it isn't worth dumping money into or doing a long PhD.

    I practice medicine and write my own original publications and conduct my own research. Any suggestions?
     
  2. AV8R

    AV8R Active Member

    What are your goals?

    What do you intend to do with the PhD?

    Are you planning on using it to obtain a tenure-track university position?

    Can you give us some info on your second doctorate?
     
  3. FTFaculty

    FTFaculty Well-Known Member

    PhD by publication, check out the UK and Australian programs. There are about a dozen or so in the UK that definitely accept those other than their own graduates; they are typically inexpensive vis-a-vis other PhDs (i.e., $5 to $15k in USD) and can typically be completed in a year or two (as you produce the 10K - 15K word document that ties a seclect group o your pubs together).

    This assumes that your "peer reviewed" publications are considered as such by academic standards, as I know many professionals produce peer-reviewed work that is not academic, such as that which goes in state bar publications or the journals of state societies of CPAs, such work may be peer reviewed, but not typically by bona fide academics, and may be well-done, but not genuine academic research, and thus would not be acceptable. If what you have done is the medical equivalent, then it wouldn't work. But if you were the lead on a number of the pubs and they include some significant quantitative research, then this may be down your alley.
     
  4. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    What do you imagine that another PhD will get you? Or maybe you're just some crazy overachiever who can't slow down. I recommend that you take up some kind of hobby.
     
  5. DoubleDoc

    DoubleDoc New Member

    National and International Peer reviewed scientific journals of medicine. Retrospective and prospective research, clinical trials.
     
  6. DoubleDoc

    DoubleDoc New Member


    Overachiever, but also more ability to get grants, funding, looking to take my two previous doctorates where I had a lot of experience in an offshoot to a combined subspecialty area. Would like to start a fellowship program for those interested in the same area.
     
  7. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    what area?
     
  8. nyvrem

    nyvrem Active Member

  9. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    Few schools that you might want to try
    University of Sunderland
    Charles Sturt University
    London Metropolitan University

    If you already have a doctorate, you might want to try a higher doctorate (DSc) at:
    University of Sunderland
    University of the West of England
    London Metropolitan University
    Middlesex University

    I believe in your case you try a higher doctorate but the publications would need to be indexed in thompson reuters or scopus. They also expect a high level of citations (at least 1000 or more) to be considered for the higher doctorate.

    I personally tried this route but was not successful, the few professors interested in supervision for higher doctorate or doctorate expected me to be in the UK for at least one semester or even a year. These programs are not really meant to be distance education programs and normally an association with the University as a researcher as research associate or post doctoral student is desired. People have the wrong impression that this type of doctorates can be taken by someone that sends is the CV and pay the fees and the doctorate is sent to you by mail, normally you are expected to be associated with the school to be considered a serious candidate.

    However, there is no harm in trying, you might be lucky and be accepted and complete the PhD or DSc in a year.
     
  10. cookderosa

    cookderosa Resident Chef

    smells sketchy.
     
  11. FTFaculty

    FTFaculty Well-Known Member

    Sounds good, so long as on a half dozen or so pubs you weren't a "stick the head in the lab" co-author, as is so often the case in the hard sciences with pubs (the lists of co-authors on such pubs is often dizzying), then sure, why not? Middlesex, Bolton, Warwick, Oxford Brookes, Kingston, Westminster and several others work with those who were not their graduates to produce a PhD by Published Work. That said, whether you're accepted is a matter of finding an academic who's willing to sponsor the PhD who has some expertise in your field. If you've worked with overseas co-authors in the UK who also happen to be on the faculty of a UK university, you should start there.
     
  12. John Bear

    John Bear Senior Member

    "Fast track PhD by publication" maybe oxymoronic. Two of the former regulars on this forum (Janko, Head) earned their doctorates in this matter (one from Australisa, one from South Africa), and each took seven or more years. There m,ay be faster ones, but in decades of interacting with many readers, I've never heard of a legitimate one shorter than two years, and that is rare.
     
  13. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    You'd be better off developing a relationship with a university and find research that they and you would find mutually beneficial, then work out an arrangement. But even then, as John notes, it will take years to do. Approach it cold and by the book? Years more.

    That's taking your inquiry at face value. Like others in this thread, I'm a bit dubious of the request. But there it is.
     
  14. DegreeDazed

    DegreeDazed Member

    I have 17 PhDs but I have been unable to get the job that I really, really, really want so I'm thinking of getting another doctoral degree. I'm quite familiar with the doctoral process but I'm wondering if there's a fast track program that I might access that dispenses with a lot of the unnecessary components of standard PhD programs such as original research, contributions to the field or really anything that seems like it might be difficult, time consuming, or requiring thought or effort. All suggestions are appreciated.

    :hypnotized::wow:
    :dunno::duh:
    :thinkerg::arg:
     
  15. cookderosa

    cookderosa Resident Chef


    I think a doctor of naturopathy might fit the bill. You don't have one of those yet.....
     
  16. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    Yes, this is what I was told by few professors about this type of doctorate, it should normally last at least two years but might take longer.
     
  17. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    Maybe Open International University of Complementary medicines in Sri Lanka fits the bill, few people have gotten one from then in less than a year.
     
  18. FTFaculty

    FTFaculty Well-Known Member

    One driver of the length of time for a PhD by Publications is whether it's retrospective or prospective. If when one is accepted they already have a substantial body of legitimate academic work and only need the 15,000 summary that connects the work--i.e., the retrospective route--it should never take 4 or 5 or 6 years unless something is seriously awry. If it's prospective, then 4+ years seems reasonable and fitting.
     
  19. AV8R

    AV8R Active Member


    The OP could just buy one from a Russian uni...

    http://www.degreeinfo.com/general-distance-learning-discussions/52756-russian-doctorates-sale-just-bring-plagiarized-thesis.html
     
  20. Phdtobe

    Phdtobe Well-Known Member

    Do I sense degree envy?
     

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