Chinese University Recruitment

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  1. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

  2. Maxwell_Smart

    Maxwell_Smart Active Member

    Oh, Alicia Tan. One, it was a joke. Secondly, if one wants to play this game it could easily be said that this is sexist toward men because of the idea that men would only be interested in enrolling due to some pretty girls being there. As if men are totally incapable of doing anything to better themselves for any reason other than pretty girls. Oh, but wait, there is no such thing as sexism toward men. For me to even mention sexism toward men is sexist against women! Misogyny! Patriarchy! My mistake.

    And I know, some fat fugly femnazi said "They showed some pictures of pretty young women! That's rape!"

    Sure it is, Marge. Now wipe the dust off the shoulder pads of your pantsuit and go feed those cats.
     
  3. Neuhaus

    Neuhaus Well-Known Member

     
  4. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    I've never been a big History buff but it seems to me that over the centuries we've seen many examples of men doing things for pretty girls. Helen of Troy, Cleopatra, Kim Kardashian*. And those are just the big names. Guys have been making fools of themselves for girls everywhere for a long time. Plus, there's nothing in there that says it's the only motivating factor, but it might be enough to give them the edge is a close decision. So I think your argument falls apart pretty quickly. But the fact is, you've missed the biggest factor. You see, for decades China has been living under the "one family, one child law" and this has resulted in a huge gender imbalance in the country. So, finding a university where the ratio of males to females approximates or exceeds 1:1 is actually a huge motivator in that country.

    http://www.newsweek.com/2015/06/05/gender-imbalance-china-one-child-law-backfired-men-336435.html

    *not really my idea of pretty but what are you gonna do?
     
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  5. Maxwell_Smart

    Maxwell_Smart Active Member

    Uh oh! Somebody forgot to wear their humor hat today! Tsk tsk.

    Men are biologically motivated to do some things because of sex. Women are biologically motivated to do some things because of sex. Both sexes do it for procreation, birth control products have allowed it to be done for recreation. No big surprises there.

    The problem is that, due to decades of femnazi misandry, people have been reprogrammed to believe that men do EVERYTHING for the purpose of getting sex and that nothing done to better themselves is done for any reason other than getting sex.

    Despite that misandric viewpoint, the truth is men are not simpletons driven only by sexual urges. Men are complex creatures with a mental capacity so deep that it's responsible for damn near every luxury and scientific breakthrough ever discovered since the advent of recorded history.

    "Lies! There is no such thing! Only women are victims of sexual discrimination! You are a misogynist!"

    ^^ That's the boilerplate femnazi response.

    Very few occasions.

    Seems impossible to be unaware, UNLESS you've been rocked to sleep by the femnazi narratives.

    It's hard not to notice the countless commercials over the past decade depicting men as bumbling buffoons no more mature or responsible than the average 8 year old. Showing men so dumb and incapable to even turn a doorknob without a woman showing up to save the day and show him how. In the reverse, femnazi organizations would descend like the plague wrapped around an atom bomb.

    It's hard not to notice how it's become perfectly okay in media to joke and depict male genitalia harm and mutilation (See Sharon Osbourne's famous misandric "The Talk" episode), but the reverse against women would cause femnazi organizations to explode and have men fired and their careers ended.

    That's not discrimination, that's generalization. It's simply more common for a man to hold that position, and equally common for a woman to be a secretary, even today, so it's an honest mistake to make. We all generalize based on our history, and it gets modified when we become aware of new developments.

    That he works there.

    No.

    No.

    No. I'd just assume he works there. I don't know what he does.

    I agree with that. But to a large extent, this is a generalization that happens to be true more often than not. These things eventually shake themselves out, i.e. the person looking for the boss will find the boss and be surprised or not surprised, really depends.


    It was an exaggeration for effect, although not much of an exaggeration since many femnazi's take this type of angle daily.

    Rape Culture in western society is a total myth. The average man or woman is not a rapist, doesn't thinks rape is okay, nor has plans to carry out rape. With some exceptions, rapists go to prison in this culture. So if there is a so-called "rape culture" it's a culture of people totally against it and offenders going to prison. Except if the victim is male and then people barely give a damn and even ridicule the male victim, and if his rapist gets pregnant the courts STILL make him pay child support (this has happened).

    Yeah, that sounds like a society that just loooooves men...

    Hooters has never interested me. I assumed the food wasn't great either.

    Yet, we never hear this position taken when men's bodies are the main attraction.

    Besides that, in this case, it was an ad that was meant to be comedic. The attacking of this is one of the reasons modern feminism is so dangerous and irresponsible. It stymies creativity, looking for things to be offended by. It's become a collective of victims looking for offenders. Creating ridiculous terms such as "mansplaining" and trying to legislate and criminalize natural human behavior (see "manspreading") simply out of a hatred for men and the courts are allowing this nonsense. This is a violation of human rights, but it's okay because it's only men's rights.

    I don't see how anyone could say men, boys, and masculinity as a whole are not under attack when the attacks are literally happening right in front of us.

    As you should since the women are working in those places by choice.

    Then a lot of places will need to close down.

    I can understand the worry for this when it comes to education, but a lot of other businesses depend on attractive women bringing in male dollars. You mentioned two kinds yourself.

    That's rather pointless to worry about. Whatever he does outside of work and on his on time has no relevance to his working hours. As long as he's treating your daughter with respect during work hours that's all that matters. If the women are selling and if he wants to pay them, that's his money, his business. In reality, most women are not hanging around a guy who isn't spending money. Directly or indirectly, there is going to be some kind of financial transaction, because the guy that tries to go dutch on a date doesn't get many dates.

    This was another joke.

    My attitudes toward women are respectful. My attitudes toward femnazi's is commensurate to the confusion, nonsense, paranoia, hypocrisy, and perpetual victimhood complexes prevalent in that twisted, hateful subculture. The problem is that this society has gone mad and now speaking out against that hateful position makes you the hateful bigot instead of the actual hateful bigots you're speaking out against.
     
  6. Maxwell_Smart

    Maxwell_Smart Active Member

    I've not missed any of that, and I'm well aware of the gender imbalance in that region of the world, that's very old news. You appear to be taking this more seriously than I was.

    Having said that, as I've said, there is a big difference between doing some things for the opposite sex and being motivated by it entirely and my point is certainly valid to that extent.

    The position of sexism against women in this situation is overreacting as has so often become the case these days, so it was more than fair to throw it back and look at the sexism against men in the same situation with the interesting part being that any possibility of sexism against men in this matter wasn't even considered which says a lot about the opposing position as a whole and its incapability or unwillingness to see things from another perspective.
     
  7. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    Yes, your fairness in such matters is legendary.
     
  8. Neuhaus

    Neuhaus Well-Known Member

    No, it just wasn't funny.

    I work in HR. I keep up on hiring trends and news in the industry. I take notice whenever an HR Manager gets fired/arrested for holding a job over a woman's head in exchange for...well...head. I never said that the majority of men are like that. All I said is that sex does motivate men. If you ever get bored, flip through the Craigslist personals one day. See how many guys are looking for hookups in the middle of the day preferably in close proximity to their workplaces. Now tell me how many similar ads you find from women.

    You can argue with me about that, if you like. But it isn't really a new thing and it is certainly not a viewpoint furthered by "femnazis." Frank Sinatra sang a rather popular song all about how men are motivated by sex.


    I do take issues with any commercial that makes men look stupid. I recall a commercial some years ago where they said "So easy even Dad can do it." Others have also taken issue. And companies like Huggies have pulled commercials and apologized because of these missteps.


    For around 3,000 years it has been the norm to mutilate a man's penis for religious purposes. Do the same to a woman and you have a scandal. Mistreatment by the femnazis? Hardly.


    Allowing generalizations like this to impact our actions is the basis for discrimination. If your instinct toward an African-American employee is that they are likely "the help" then, even upon learning that they are the manager, you are unlikely to be hunky dory with the concept.

    OK then, how does it "shake out" when the person making the generalization is a hiring manager using that first impression to guide a hiring decision?

    I've seen it work in all different directions. A former colleague of mine once tossed all engineering candidates who didn't pass her rather restrictive test for interview attire. The result was that she had very few candidates progress to the next step. She tossed aside some quality candidates who wore things like a jeans/sport coat combo, bow ties, ties that didn't appear professional enough to her tastes or people who had facial hair she didn't care for. All things that had nothing to do with one's ability to work as an engineer.

    I've also seen hiring managers immediately discount female employees. Some came around by the end of the interview. Some said that the women interviewed very well but that they preferred a man (not a wise thing to say to HR, for the record).


    Then explain the Stanford rape case without just trying to write it off as an "exception." You have a father getting up, in open court, begging for mercy for his son because prison is going to ruin his kid's life. No discussion of the victim. No expression of remorse except for the part about getting caught. Then you have a judge handing down a wrist slap and filing it under "boys will be boys."

    The concept of "rape culture" isn't really such a difficult thing to see in action. How many comedians, TV shows or movies make light of the idea of slipping drugs to a woman and having sex with her? Bill Cosby based a sizable portion of his comedic career on that very notion (and, as it turns out, his off-stage life as well). A man sleeps with a dozen women and he's a player or a playboy. A woman sleeps with any more than one man and she's a slut, whore or skank. Does that sound like a society that "looooooooves" women?



    We can say it because there is no way a rational person can say that "masculinity" is under attack unless your notion of masculinity comes from those old Loony Toon cartoons where a caveman clubs a woman and drags her back to his cave.


    To a certain extent you are right. To another, you are not.

    Years ago I had an employee come to my attention because he was participating in an initiative to recruit for a local chapter of some KKK spinoff. He never behaved inappropriately at work. He never said anything remotely racist to his employees (some of whom were non-white). But when that little tidbit broke out many of his employees became uncomfortable with him. African Americans obviously felt uncomfortable working for a guy who spent his off hours associating with a group that, within the past 100 years, made sport of lynching. Non-white employees were afraid of him. White employees were afraid of being associated with him. A compliment from the boss for a job well done could now send the message that you are a fellow racist.

    Because he broke no laws and had no workplace issues he didn't lose his job. I was able to shuffle him someplace else with less direct personal interaction to minimize the potential for conflict. In time, he moved on all on his own.

    Now, before you say "What would you have done if it was a black employee who was a member of the Black Panthers?" let me just say that white children never cowered in the fear that the Black Panthers would kill their innocent, hard working white fathers just for the fun of it. White families were not terrorized by roving bands of Black Panthers. Workplace conduct needs to be dealt with. But out of work conduct also, on occasion, warrants handling.
     
  9. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Wow, these are some long posts.

    In my opinion, text that uses the term "femnazi" does not deserve a serious response. No further parsing required.
     
  10. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Whatever. "Can't you take a joke?" as a troll's shield of choice is so common that it's a stereotype.

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  11. Maxwell_Smart

    Maxwell_Smart Active Member

    Yes, it's only fair to look at it the other way. Men, after all, can't be objectified...
     
  12. Maxwell_Smart

    Maxwell_Smart Active Member

    In my opinion, anyone who can dismiss the reason why such a term like femnazi would be used in response to these cackling lunatics and their radical ideologies—and the appropriateness of the term in response to their radical ideologies—is a person who is asleep and doesn't deserve to be taken seriously.
     
  13. Maxwell_Smart

    Maxwell_Smart Active Member

    That's just lazy and oversimplifying.

    The ad the school made itself was a joke, the response to it was an overreaction. That's the point being made and a pretty simple one at that.

    Your troll comment is needless ad hominem.
     

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