Liberty makes big move academically in new college listing

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  1. curtisc83

    curtisc83 New Member

    Liberty makes big move academically in new college listing

    February 4, 2016 : Liberty University News Service
    Liberty University has moved up to the Doctoral Universities level in a recent listing from the Carnegie Foundation, placing it among only 335 universities in the country to receive the designation and further recognizing Liberty’s commitment to academic excellence.

    The Carnegie Classification of Institutions of Higher Education serves as a national framework for classifying colleges and universities, primarily for educational and research purposes. The listings shape how more than 4,660 post-secondary institutions across the country are viewed by independent analysts, government officials, and academic groups. U.S. News & World Report relies on the classifications for its annual “Best Colleges” ranking; it is expected that U.S. News will now list Liberty as a “national university” rather than a “regional university.”

    | Liberty University

    Just thought this would be interesting to post since its hot off the press. Link to the whole story above.
     
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  2. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Big achievement. Congratulations, Liberty!
    This new standing (especially if US News starts ranking them with National universities - which it probably will) is sure to bring attention to Liberty U. Not all of it will be positive. Liberty has a medical school now (LU College of Osteopathic Medicine), which is very prestigious for any university. But you should read the almost universal hate LUCOM attracts on StudentDoctor.net.
     
  3. curtisc83

    curtisc83 New Member

    When LU opened LUCOM I started visiting SD and the hate is strong. Since LUCOM already has rotations setup and fairly decent scores for the incoming classes it baffles me. One other thing that I don't get is LUCOM hasn't even graduated a class yet so no board scores are available but still posters are full of hate. I find it all amusing since almost all of it is based on false info or rumors.
     
  4. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    No, it is based on the school's pushing Creationism and its brand of Christianity. Some people hate that.
    As for the incoming and graduating classes, folks at SD also point out another thing. LUCOM is a domestic, fully accredited DO school - it is bound to have a lot of people wishing to enroll, and career prospects of graduates are relatively bright. What do you call someone who graduated at the bottom of his class at the lowest-ranking medical school? "Doctor".
     
  5. curtisc83

    curtisc83 New Member

    You just reminded me about the Creationism thing. But what posters on SD fail to realize is Creationism has nothing to do with LUCOM it's just a undergrad thing. But because LUCOM's parent school is LU they think it's one in the same. That plus confusion over being able to consume alcohol, which you can just not on campus. I'm excited about LUCOM's future I know they don't rank DO schools but it does add a prestige thing I think will be good for LU.
     
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  6. jhp

    jhp Member

    Some hate blue, sweet & sour soup, and the smell of tomatoes.

    A push is when someone forces an other to do something. Are the core curriculum, and the school's Christian position a secret, prior to signing on the line? After all, LU is not the cheapest or only solution?

     
  7. cookderosa

    cookderosa Resident Chef

    Make no mistake, there is a market for openly Christian properly licensed doctors; in fact, in some circles, these newly minted DOs are going to be rock stars.
     
  8. curtisc83

    curtisc83 New Member

    It's not a secret. It's not the UG students that are complaining. From my limited view it appears to be folks that have never attended and dislike the way LU does things.
     
  9. AV8R

    AV8R Active Member

    It's the same stuff I saw on the lawyer forums back in the early days of LU's law school. Tons of hate. I remember one person saying the school would never achieve ABA accreditation. LU achieved it very quickly.
     
  10. japhy4529

    japhy4529 House Bassist

    Yeah, I don't understand either where all of the hate for LUCOM is coming from. This is the first I've heard of LU opening a medical school, but I have no issue with it (and this is coming from an ardent atheist). If you don't like the school then don't apply.

    Frankly, I don't give a rat's keister if my doctor is christian, jewish, islamic or an atheist. As long as they're competent and their religious beliefs don't interfere with my quality of care then all is good.
     
  11. jhp

    jhp Member

    There are very good, accredited Jewish Universities, Islamic Universities, Buddhist Universities, and so on.

     
  12. jumbodog

    jumbodog New Member

    Because in certain circles to be a Christian is by definition to believe in a fairy sky wizard and people who believe in a fairy sky wizard are by definition ignorant louts.


    Well, the thing is, how can you be sure of that? Quality of care is not a self-defining proposition. Some people believe that LU is playing the long game and is seeking to change the definition of quality of care from within. Whether they will be successful at that I have no opinion not being a fortune teller.

    In any event, I do fully understand where the hate is coming from. I find it amusing, myself, because I think it is hypercritical of the haters. But that's just me.
     
  13. Phdtobe

    Phdtobe Well-Known Member

    You have just mirrored my thoughts as an atheist and an LU graduate. My personal believes are mines. I have also been inquiring about doing a doctorate degree at a Muslim university. I hope on the way I learned a few things about Islam. To me it is an exercise in education. I know the bible as well as most chirstian professionals. I have not always been an atheist. Who know i may become a Muslim but I doubt it. However, I will not shy away from learning and being intellectual curious because of my belief.
     
  14. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    This is a caricature of even Jerry Falwell crowd's views. I find it puzzling that self-appointment champions of reason often resort to such silly rhetorical tricks.
     
  15. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Well, it is an extremely fair assumption to make, as creationism, as well as proximity to Christian Right, are big parts of "Liberty University" brand. Association is clear. I understand people who may not want to be associated with this particular university. Of course, many rational people will not let these things affect their medical school or grad school admissions, if other criteria are met.

    At the end of the day, LU is accredited, non-profit, NCAA Division I, R3 research university with booming law school and a new medical school. It will be adored by a small fringe and hated by another small fringe. The rest of the population is neutral, and RU perception is steadily strengthening with each milestone.

    P.S. I was wrong: LUCOM is only provisionally accredited by the AOA, as it is too new for full accreditation. Not that this makes any practical difference.
     
  16. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    People don't hate Liberty because it's a Christian school. Most Americans are Christian and have no problem with most colleges with religious affiliations.
     
  17. jhp

    jhp Member

    People hate LU because it is different; because it bucks the rules and standards what the pseudo-intelligentsia demands to be the norm.
     
  18. Pugbelly2

    Pugbelly2 Member

    Agreed. I could make an argument that a doctor who holds to a belief that humans are a special creation by God who are arevset above all other forms of life by God, might have a greater interest in caring for his/her patients than someone who does not hold such a conviction.
     
  19. jhp

    jhp Member

    ... A nihilist doctor...


     
  20. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    I don't think "people" really give a damn one way or the other.
     

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