Hi, I am not familiar with UK schools and I would like to hear from your comment on both MBA and Msc of this university. Thank you very much
Liverpool is a venerable royally chartered school, and a degree offered by same should meet the requirements of U.S. registrars and human resource personnel. Can't speak to the quality of their programs because I haven't looked at them very closely, but I'd be surprised if there's anything to worry about there. Cheers,
University of Liverpool The University of Liverpool is one of the great civic universities of England, established over 1oo years ago at the same time as the other great civic universities of Manchester, Leeds and Sheffield. Each was born out of various engineering and technical institutes that had existed long before they became universities. Each offers the range of disciplines you'll find in most universities (including education, social sciences, English, etc) but they are especially centres of excellence in medicine and dentistry and, more recently, business management. Liverpool was the last of the civics to get going with a management business school (in fact has really only just started) and the whole institution is highly regarded throughout the world. This new venture with KIT eLearning in The Netherlands is worth watching. For a visit to the University of Liverpool web site which, in my view, is a good one and easy to navigate, go to www.liverpool.ac.uk telfax
I'm bias with my comments since I'm an online instructor for the M.Sc program, but I can tell you that is an excellent program. The modules are very industry oriented and the quality is very high. Most of the module designers are top university professors from top universities. The company that delivers the program is Kit e-learning and it is supervised by the university of Liverpool. Instructors come from around the globe and the class is very rich in terms of experiece and diverse cultural background. I strongly recommend it. The M.Sc program can be completed in two years but most of the students take three since the dissertation component can be a little time consuming depending on the topic. Please let me know if you have any more question and I will be happy to answer them. Regards,
By jove I think you are correct Bill. I think if you complete a degree with U of Liverpool you can get a Trinity certificate and sticker for the degree. I don't think the degree will qualify you for admission or allow you to actually participate in the Trinity graduation ceremonies. I also believe that a team from Trinity travels to U of Liverpool to ensure that it is living up to the Trinity accreditation. North
stickers for sale ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Did you pay your extra $200 for the Trinity sticker? But why would good Liverpool mess with Trinity?
The working agreement between Liverpool U and Trinity has been TERMINATED due to differences in Academic policy. Peace, Timmy.
Trinity's website still refers to the University of Liverpool, and the University of Liverpool's faculty of arts page still refers to Trinity. http://www.trinitysem.edu/accred.html What seems to be different is that the relationship is now described in terms of "accept and endorse". All references to Liverpool "accrediting" Trinity seem to have been removed. I consider this to be a very positive move. It was the attempt to mislead prospective American students about Trinity's accreditation status that was my main objection to the Trinity/Liverpool relationship. As long as the relationship is characterized as what it is, an *endorsement*, I have less objection to it.
I agree, Bill. In conversation with a gentleman who serves on Trinity's accreditation committee, one who was instrumental in obtaining the UL/Trinity relationship, I was told that it was never the intent of Trinity to mislead American students. Rather, the objective was to benefit non-US students. While it may not have been the intent, it was indeed misleading--given the fact that a large percentage of people still do not understand the concept of accreditation. This same person is also involved in Trinity's effort at achieving USDOE/CHEA recognized accreditation. All his degrees are RA, and he serves on the faculty of a RA/ATS seminary. Now, if the Master's Divinity School thing can be erased.
Pure hypothesis What I am about to state is pure hypothesis and conjecture. The British higher education system has undergone, and is undergoing, a massive change both in terms of how it is financed, subsidised and organized to meet central government's demands. These changes started under Margaret Thatcher, were continued under Major and, in my view, the present Labour government has accelerated them more than the last Conservative government. We could debate the pros and cons as to whether central government is right or wrong - and we'd still be here this time next week! However, in trying to secure more students, and more money as central government financially bleeds many higher education institutions to death via its flawed funding and research assessment exercise policies (my views - and those of many others) that link funding to where an institution stands at the end of the flawed assessment exercises, many colleges and universities have sought additional funds by attempting to establish links and programmes outside the UK. Many have been successful but many others not so. For example, Derby University fell foul in Israel and was 'clipped behind the ear' by the various central government watch dogs for not ensuring quality of admisison, standards and so forth. The current institution that has been highly criticised is Aberthay University in Scotland for its activities in Greece. Most of the institutions that have come under the spotlight are the former polytechnics, now the so-called 'new universities'. I just wonder if the Liverpool-Trinity scenario was all part of this overseas expansionist policy the majority of UK universities are now engaged in and it all 'fell apart' with Trinity. My personal understanding (and I may be quite wrong) was that Liverpool initially was going to 'validated' the Trnity degees - i.e. students would complete the work at Trinity and get a Liverpool degree. This happens with many UK universities these days. When things began to 'fall apart' between Trinity and Liverpool, rather than simply make a complete break I just wonder whether the present situation is a 'saving face' exercise for both institutions. Just an idea - that's all! Have seen this before! telfax
Re: Pure hypothesis From the outset of the Trinity/Liverpool relationship it was stated that all degrees were awarded by Trinity. To my knowledge no student has ever completed all coursework via Trinity and been awarded the degree by Liverpool.
Therefore difficult to understand If this is the case, I cannot understyand for one moment why liverpool was prepared to associate itself with another institution if it wasn't prepared to get anything out it! Perhaps it(Liverpool_ thought it would get Trinity people going on to take Liverpool degrees in one form or another. Why else would an institution endorse another instituion's awards? I will look into this some more, not to 'stir' things but just to know why they have this affiliation. There has to be more to it than this! telfax
Re: Therefore difficult to understand A Trinity degree does not guarantee one admission to a Liverpool degree program. For example, a Trinity master's degree will not guarantee admission to a Liverpool doctoral program. This according to Dr. Jimmy Chubb, Trinity's contact person at Liverpool.
Re: Re: Therefore difficult to understand Dr. Chubb seems to have been the architect of the Trinity/Liverpool relationship at the Liverpool end. He served as chairman of the Council of Validating Universities in 1998-2000, in part because of his 'success' in creating this weird thing. Here's a press release from the time: http://www.merseyworld.com/precinct/Oct98/prec17.html I'm just speculating, but I think that Telfax is probably on the right track. Universities like Liverpool were being squeezed for funds. They were told to be more entrepeneurial and to earn some cash themselves. So universities like Liverpool sat down and added up their assets, and one of those was their good name. They could turn their name into money simply by allowing weaker schools to associate themselves with it, for a price of course. And as long as it wasn't a full validation arrangement and the weaker school continued granting its own degrees, the QAA turned a blind eye to the whole thing since British academic awards weren't involved. Sweet. Trinity has approaching 10,000 students (!). That means several thousand graduates a year. Multiply that by the "accreditation fee", and you have a nice little cash flow, at no cost to Liverpool at all. It's not hard to see why it might have been tempting. Create a bunch of these relationships around the world, and you are talking real money. Obviously I have no way of knowing if that scenario is true. But it is a plausible explanation for why Liverpool might have been motivated to take part in such a thing.
