University of Phoenix

Discussion in 'General Distance Learning Discussions' started by dawnlanore, Jun 4, 2002.

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  1. dawnlanore

    dawnlanore New Member

    Has anyone had any trouble getting credits transferred from University of Phoenix, into any other regionally accredited school?

    I know they (UofP) are regionally accredited themselves, but I'm wondering if other schools look at them as being not as efficient, since they are an online program.
     
  2. DaveHayden

    DaveHayden New Member

    Hi Dawn

    I believe you would be able to transfer credits from U of P pretty easily. However most universities limit how much transfer they will accept. Also you can not transfer credit into U of P and then transfer it as U of P credit on to another university. The accepting university will only accept it from school it was earned at. I hope this is helpful.
     
  3. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    I don't know ifyou'll get specific responses from former UoPhoenix students. But a survey conducted by John Bear indicated a strong willingness on the part of admissions officials to accept credits and degrees from other RA schools. They indicated a statistically significantly higher willingness to do so from programs that contained at least some residential element. Of course, Phoenix offers both classroom-based and online classes; I suspect admissions officials at other schools would not know precisely how you earned your credits. In both cases, hardly any respondents indicated they would absolutely not accept such credits and degrees.
     
  4. dawnlanore

    dawnlanore New Member

    "Also you can not transfer credit into U of P and then transfer it as U of P credit on to another university. The accepting university will only accept it from school it was earned at. "
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    This is not what I was told by a Professor at FIU. He had said one way around my Nationally Accredited Degree I hold from AIP, would be to find a regionally accredited shool to accept those credits and then transfer from there...say to FIU, for example.

    If you know of any information of why this is not true, I would appreciate it.
     
  5. Gary Rients

    Gary Rients New Member

    I would suggest speaking directly with someone who deals with posting or approving transfer credit, such as someone in the office of admissions or the registrar's office. It has been my experience that professors aren't always familiar with admistrative policies at the schools where they teach, and can be prone to providing misleading information in such matters. Even if the professor is also an advisor, he has probably only dealt with a list of transfer courses for each student, provided by the administration. An exception may be if the professor is also a high level administrator in a position to personally approve transfer credit, such as a dean or chair of a department. However, even in that case they may be limited by school policies regarding accreditation of the source of the credit. The fact that another school may accept the credit in transfer should not change the source of the credit. Portfolio evaluation (as opposed to direct credit transfer) would provide you with a new source for the credit though.
     
  6. Gus Sainz

    Gus Sainz New Member

    The decision of transferability of credits is usually not left to instructors. On occasion, if the registrar’s office accepts a course in transfer, but does not apply it to a specific degree requirement, the student may petition that the course be examined for equivalency. Then, and only then, will the course syllabus be sent to the appropriate department head to be evaluated.

    Almost universally, institutions want to conduct their own evaluation of transfer credits; that is why they insist on transcripts from every institution the student has attended.

    I is highly doubtful that FIU will accept any courses from unaccredited or even nationally accredited schools in transfer. Moreover, as FIU’s business school is AACSB accredited, the rules concerning transferability of courses into the business program are even more stringent. For example, there are courses (Human Resource Management, for example) that the school may insist must be taken at the upper division level. Therefore, even if you had previously taken a course with the same title at a community college (RA), it would still not satisfy degree requirements (it may, however be considered an elective).

    University of Florida (also AACSB accredited) is stricter still; they don’t allow any upper-division transfer credits into their distance learning Bachelor’s degree program in business. University of Miami and Florida State are also AACSB accredited and would have similar policies to FIU. Barry University is in the process of securing AACSB accreditation (they keep getting turned down, but they haven’t given up yet), and as such, is adhering closely to their standards.

    My Web site Distance Learning Business Degrees lists about 200 business-related Bachelor degree programs (U.S. based, with no residence requirements) that can be earned via distance learning. However, as all of the programs are regionally accredited, it is doubtful you will find many (if any) that will accept courses from unaccredited or nationally accredited schools in transfer. Your best bet is to investigate the schools that do not have additional business accreditation (AACSB, ACBSP, or IACBE).

    Keep in mind, however, that schools usually do not provide specifics concerning transfer credits without reviewing original transcripts. Therefore, even if a school tells you they will consider accepting your courses, they may not accept all (if any) of them; and of those they do accept, they might not apply them to an individual program’s requirements.
     
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  7. wfready

    wfready New Member

    "Also you can not transfer credit into U of P and then transfer it as U of P credit on to another university. The accepting university will only accept it from school it was earned at. "
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    This is not what I was told by a Professor at FIU. He had said one way around my Nationally Accredited Degree I hold from AIP, would be to find a regionally accredited shool to accept those credits and then transfer from there...say to FIU, for example.


    If you know of any information of why this is not true, I would appreciate it.
    [//B]


    I have an AAS rom Excelsior and I have been looking at different schools to transer into a 4 year degree. Every single college I have talked with noticed I had transer credits and asked for original transcripts (this is not to say that there could be schools that will take one transcript despite the transer credits).

    I don't know about business degrees. But some programs (engineering/technology) have 2+2 programs. Maybe one would be able to transfer credits as a whole degree if you found the right program (you would transfer in as a junior and just finish upper level requirements). Again, I have no idea if they make any type of program in what you are looking for. What type and how many credits are from an NA institution? Maybe you can go the portfolio/credit by exam route and THEN transfer those credits.

    Best Regards,

    Bill
     
  8. DaveHayden

    DaveHayden New Member

    Hi Dawn

    You'll want to recheck this with the registrar's office and who ever is in charge of transfers. I believe the professor is totally mistaken. It wouldn't make sense to accept it after it has been transfer to another institution, but not to accept it directly. The only way that might be possible is if you tranfered it to U of P and finished a degree there. Then another school may be able to accept the finished degree as credit earned. Good luck and lets us know what you find out.
     
  9. dawnlanore

    dawnlanore New Member

    I heard there may exceptions to the rule..

    I have heard "through the grapevine" that it is NOT impossible to get some credits transferred from a NA to a RA if the envelope is pushed.
    I was told that even thoough all of these universities/schools have given me a resounding "NO", over the phone and internet, that if I were to go there with my transcripts in hand, along with course descriptions, and state my case and let them know that that is the school I want to attend, that they have in the past made acceptions and its not the LAW that they cannot accept any of those credits.
    It was suggested to me to see the Dean of Academics and present my case.

    What is your view on this?
     
  10. DaveHayden

    DaveHayden New Member

    Re: I heard there may exceptions to the rule..

    That is a tough question. Unquestionably some people are able to get accepted into programs at RA Universities that they technically don't qualify for. Getting transfer credit for the unaccredited course may be tougher. It certainly can not hurt to ask and ask again. I am at a loss as far as how to approach it best. Perhaps others have some ideas.
     
  11. wfready

    wfready New Member

    That is a tough question. Unquestionably some people are able to get accepted into programs at RA Universities that they technically don't qualify for. Getting transfer credit for the unaccredited course may be tougher. It certainly can not hurt to ask and ask again. I am at a loss as far as how to approach it best. Perhaps others have some ideas.

    I agree. It certainly can not hurt you for asking again and again. As a matter of fact that may be a good idea. I received credit for some courses that, at first, I did not qualify for. When I found out they didn't not transfer the credit I expected. I wrote this speech stating why I should get the credit. With much suprise (no arguments or anything), they wrote: Your right Mr. Ready heres your credits.

    Now, with that said, I am not sure if I made a valid point or if they just wanted me to stop haggling them about it.. In your case, its not like transfering NA credit to an RA institution is ILLEGAL. Its up to the admissions people (at least they are the people that say yay or nay). So, give it a try. What are they going to do? NOT take your credits again?! (heh)

    Regards,
    Bill
     
  12. Transfer Credit Problem

    In reply to the original question, One of my students attempted to transfer from UoP to Drexel University's BSBA program in Marketing. Drexel refused to transfer any of his credits from UoP as well as his other schools. RA or non-RA, I do not know but I doubt if UoP granted him credit from any non-RA school. As the story goes... It's up to the accepting institution to determine if credit will be transfered. They were willing to grant him Freshman status.

    Regards,

    Dick
     
  13. dawnlanore

    dawnlanore New Member

    can't hurt to ask

    I have been communicating with a Director of a Weekend Bachelors Program at FIU and hope to get a name of a person who could make the decision to accept my credits from AIP.
    So, I hope to speak with him today and get his feedback.
    In the meantime I hope to get course descriptions from FIU so I can try to match up my course descriptions from AIP the best I can to give me some more ammunition!
    Thanks for your responses!!
     
  14. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    Non-transferability of UoP Credits ?

    Do you have any idea why Drexel would refuse to accept the college credits from the UoP? Since the UoP is a RA school, why the denial (if you know or if you can speculate)?

    :confused:
     
  15. DaveHayden

    DaveHayden New Member

    Re: can't hurt to ask

    Hi Dawn

    FIU has its catalog online on the web page. It has the course decriptions there.
     
  16. dawnlanore

    dawnlanore New Member

    i will check that out. thankyou
     
  17. Andy Borchers

    Andy Borchers New Member

    Re: Non-transferability of UoP Credits ?

    Art - the key point is that schools have the discretion to accept or not accept any credits, even from RA schools. Harvard is unlikely to accept transfer credits from an RA community college, for example. Further, if a school does accept credits the next questions are "how many" and "for what?". A school could look at credits and say - "Ok - we'll take them as free electives". But if your degree program only has limited free electives - the transferred courses may not help you progress towards graduation. Note that many schools are quite protective of courses in a student's major area of study - and will be pretty tight about giving credit. I've seen folks with 90 hours only be able to transfer 40.

    Also, as has been mentioned, many schools only allow limited amounts of transfer credit. The logic is this "If Joe wants a degree from XYZ University, we need to educate Joe." Few schools are as generous in accepting credits, for examples, as TESC, Charter Oaks, etc. Many schools at the undergraduate level accept only 3 years of transferred work, leaving students to take 30 hours or more with the new school. At the graduate level things are even more bleak. Most graduate programs that I see allow for a maximum of 2 courses to be transferred.

    Regards - Andy

     
  18. Re: Non-transferability of UoP Credits ?

    From what I was told, as far as the UoP courses, Drexel did not believe in the UoP accelerated learning model. As if a ten week quarter vs a 15 week semester isn't an "accelerated" model. Drexel runs on quarters.

    FWIT I have had bad experiences with Drexel personnel on the COOP placement and Admissions Office fronts as well. They always gave me attitude and clearly showed how they felt it a real favor they were doing by even talking to me. I was not surprised with my student's experience.

    Regards,

    Dick


     
  19. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    Re: Re: Non-transferability of UoP Credits ?

    Actually, they do. When I was going for my Associate's degree at Quincy College (a 2 year, city-owned RA school), I had a Harvard student in two of my summer classes. He wanted to get a jump on the next semester so he wouldn't have to take a full course load. I very specifically asked him if he had checked that Harvard would accept the transfer credit, and he had double checked. He told me it's fairly common for Harvard undergrads to take summer classes at other schools.


    Bruce
     
  20. DaveHayden

    DaveHayden New Member

    Re: Re: Re: Non-transferability of UoP Credits ?

    Also people do transfer from community colleges into Harvard. Obviously it needs to be a great candidate, but it does happen every year. As I stated in another thread, Georgetown University previously had an articulation agreement with 4 community colleges and would accept 1 or 2 transfer students every year from each one.
     

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