Colleges judged on graduates' earnings

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  1. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    For-profit programs face 'gainful employment' rule

    Ban the DOE!
     
  2. CalDog

    CalDog New Member

    Participation in DOE student aid programs is voluntary.
    Any school, whether for-profit or non-profit, can withdraw from those programs if they feel that the DOE's rules are unreasonable.

    Some schools, like Hillsdale College or Grove City College, make a point of doing so.
     
  3. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    Ban the DOE!
     
  4. CalDog

    CalDog New Member

    The for-profits have zero interest in banning the DOE.
    If that happened, then there would be no DOE financial aid programs.
    And without government financial aid, the for-profit education sector would collapse.
     
  5. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    Choose the best answer. Which of the following wants to retain or empower the U.S. Department of Education:
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    • (a) Socialist Canadians.
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    • (b) Loyal Americans who did not rebel against the lawful [British] government, but who went into hiding after 1776 and/or who fled to Canada as loyal citizens.
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    • (c) CalDog
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    • (d) Renegade and traitorous Americans who rebelled against the lawful [British] government in 1776, thus beginning a "limited" form of federal governance with most power reserved to States Rights (and not to the DOE).
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    • (d) Answers (a) and (b) and (c)
     
  6. CalDog

    CalDog New Member

    Why not add (e) the for-profit education industry, as an additional choice ?

    I can think of about 8.8 billion reasons why the the for-profit education sector would want to retain DOE:

    Incidentally, I get exactly 0% of my income from DOE, or from other government agencies for that matter.
     
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  7. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    My state only offers financial aid for attendance at public colleges and universities.
     
  8. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    For starters, over 5000+ DOE employees (and growing) need the DOE to stay employed.

    Prior to the creation of the DOE in 1980, the U.S. had a world-renowned and world-class educational system at the State level and NOT at the federal level. However, as the federal DOE grows in financial influence and sanctioning power, it becomes abundantly clear that it is not in the best interest of "States Rights" for the DOE to continue to exist. Unfortunately, once a U.S. federal bureaucracy is established, to include the DOE, it becomes self-perpetuating until it becomes behemoth with federal edits and sanctions.

    The DOE creates problems and then presents itself as the solution. The DOE creates problems and then proposes rules on the federal register as alleged panaceas. The DOE is the problem.

    There are a lot of trees in the forest.
     
  9. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    There are hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of people working in the for-profit education system. I guess one good thing about getting rid of the DOE is that hundreds of thousands of people working for for-profit colleges will be out of work.

    I higher education system is still world-renowned. We dominate the world college rankings. Our public education system hasn't gotten any worse. Our test scores have remained flat while other countries have passed us up as they've become more developed. Most of these countries have the benefit of having very low child poverty rates (because of socialism) and homogeneous populations. When you break down our demographics by ethnicity and socioeconomic status, we're still one of the best-performing countries when looking at comparable groups. Why else do you think so many socialist countries with very centralized governments are beating us?
     
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  10. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    Most of your income is either directly or indirectly related to federal financial expenditures into the economy, even if you don't acknowledge it, understand it or see it. If the federal government quit providing entitlements, the American economy would collapse and everyone (to include you, your employer and the Canadians) would be sucked into a black economic morass. The DOE is just an iceberg tip that is showing, but it is all interconnected by all the various federal expenditures.

    For the first 150 years of the United States, the federal government consumed between 1 and 3 percent of the GDP (excluding the funding of the Civil War and WWI when it temporarily skyrocketed). Can you imagine paying federal taxes of between 1 and 3 percent? However, beginning in the 20th Century, the federal consumption of the GDP grew voraciously and now it consumes between 45 and 65 percent of the GDP (or higher), depending on changing yearly variables (the national economy, the global economy, funding of wars, etc).

    The American economy is now built on a federal-socialist house of cards and it is impossible to have a financial jubilee to set the clock back to zero, at least not without having a black financial implosion of biblical proportions.
     
  11. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

  12. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    No, it's not the main problem. It's just one iceberg tip of many.
     

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