Worth of Cal State Approved

I was just browsing the faculty list of the college I am attending (acics accredited) and came across something I thought was interesting. Although most have a Masters or PhD from a RA school, one of my business teachers (and one of the more knowledgable instructors there in my opinion) has a BS and MBA from Pacific Western, and a DBA from Hamilton University? I checked out Hamilton and some would say it appears very much like a degree mill

Although I personally like and respect the person, this doesn't install too much confidence in the ACICS process for myself.

Anybody know anything specific about their requirements for faculty education?

Let me again state, he does seem knowledgable, but some/most of that really could be life experience (upper-level management in the banking profession - 25+ years)

 

Typically a professor is originally hired based on his other credentials and after many years they will get an unaccedited degree just to get the doctorate. The unaccredited degree did not help land them the job but because the degree is 'legal' some universities will then tolerate it. You will thus sporadically find faculty with unaccredited credentials at RA colleges and universities but you will find that they were not hired on the basis of this degree.

Faculty do get into trouble when they obtain the diploma mill unaccredited degree. Some will argue this in the case of PWU too whereas the state approved status of CCU is probably more acceptable. What would surprise me if faculty members with unaccredited doctorates were on RA graduate school committees to award doctorates.


John

 

Thank you Doctor,

I guess my question was related to the BS and MBA from Pacific Western lacking accreditation. With the Hamilton U DBA as the cherry on top. Teaching in an accredited (kindof) college. I know it's not RA but................

Maybe I have read too many stories of accredited institutions losing their accreditation. If that happened it would cost me alot, my time and $30,000+ for a BS that is NA.

That is something I would like to avoid.

Tony

 

With a BS and MBA from PWU and a doctorate from Hamilton I would think that a professor at an accredited institution is running on a fine line. Back in the 80's I taught radiation physics to radiation techs based on my USNY degree which is RA. During an accreditation review process the accreditors had never heard of the Regents program and asked if it was accredited and checked into it. The result -- no problem. This was with an AART accredited program at the hospital and not RA.

John

 

Re: Re: Worth of Cal State Approved

I would think that a student with a NA doctorate but an RA undergrad and an RA masters degree would be paid and serve as a member of the faculty with a masters degree. Further I would think the only benefit a NA doctorate would give them would be the ability to ask students to call him/her "doctor" (and of course whatever education he picked up earning the degree.) For some, that's enough I guess.

 

Ellisz,

My point, and I suppose Dr. Wetsch's post's point also, was that it isn't NA but Cal State approved. The undergrad and MBA is CSA while the DBA is unaccredited.

My question is without even national accreditation does this teacher have the credentials necessary to teach even at the NA level?

Tony

p.s. I also should say that I believe the Doctorate is totally unaccredited.

 

Re: Re: Re: Worth of Cal State Approved

What NA doctorate? I think he was talking about an unaccredited state approved school PWU.

North

 

Yeah, I picked up on that after my post. Doctorate issues aside I guess it would depend on the school itself. I'll yield to those with far more knowledge than myself on this subject.

 

The two schools called Pacific Western operate legally (from the same address) -- one as a California approved (business degrees only); the other as a Hawaii licensed.

But Hamilton is totally beyond-any-doubt fraudulent.

I don't know much about the ACICS process - but when Armstrong University lost its
WASC accreditation 8 or 10 years, ACICS was standing in the wings, to welcome
them with open arms.

(I've told the story here of how my wife was ordered by an Armstrong dean
to give A's to 4 or 5 foreign students who had rarely come to class, and did not
take the final exam or write the required paper. She refused and quit, and
the students were given their A's.)

 

Doctor Bear,

I have read that several times (the Armstrong story) and I admit that it makes ACICSS look bad. There is, of course, nothing I can do about that. The Pacific Western my instructor graduated from was the Cal. in business, but it still is not accredited except cal. state approval, which I would not bet on. However, the institution that I am attending is acics accredited (yep......same as Armstrong) and I am learning. I realize that I am limiting my options, but in my case it isn't AS important as getting the degree.



Okay, back to the point.
Can a college lose accreditation over this (I think the accreditation association should bring it up in the least) and what does that mean to me? What I am doing might not require RA anyway. But if they lose NA, well, I am pretty much up the proverbial creek......

Any help would be appreciated.

Tony

 

Dr. Bear,

I hate to ask you personally (okay, I am somewhat in awe of authors), but can you(or anyone else) give me an opinion of the validity of my program (acics accredited) as far as getting accepted to a MS or MBA at a RA institution.
I have looked for your survey but found nil.
I am sure you are holding this close to your chest for publishing rights. Regardless, if you could give me any info I would appreciate it very much. Thank you.

Tony

 

never mind

 

Hamilton U

What ever happened to the professor with the Hamilton Doctorate? I've done some research on Hamilton, and apparently, they also do not accept unqualified applicants. What they do is apply ones work/educational experience against the program. If the person is eligible for a degree, they are notified but have to complete a series of courses as well as a thesis. Also, Hamilton will apparently verify information and detail. I do not feel this is the route for me, but I also feel that there is value in his approach

Hamilton also appears to have the legal authority to issue degrees; they are exempt do to their theocentric configuration. The school is governed by the church of FION, which advocates natural order. I communicated with a State official and this is what they confirmed. Also on the state website you'll find that they are listed an s an approved non-profit organization.

Thanks,

RJT

 

Re: Hamilton U

He resigned almost two months ago. I do not know if it had anything to do with his educational background.

Tony