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    William Loveland College

    Dear Degreeinfo Informicons:

    I need your support.

    As some of you know (and I would guess fewer of you care), tomorrow will be my 10 year anniversary of posting on Degreeinfo. When I first started posting I was enrolled in a DETC accredited MBA program that I had started in May of that same year. I didn’t know anything about NA, RA, for profit, not for profit, or any of the rest of the ’vocabulary’ used to ‘discuss’ the industry here.

    At the time I was a mid-level manager at a big fortune 100, and the MBA for me was a way to check a box to try and start the climb of the corporate ladder. I found the MBA program I selected because I was able to get in with 120 undergraduate credits but no actual undergraduate degree. I could always explain away the undergrad issue with employers, but I felt to climb higher I needed a better answer.

    I found that the online format was for me, and I Finished the MBA , a BSBA , an MS in IT, and a DBA, all online. However, after reading and participating in conversations here, I made a life changing choice. I stepped out of the corporate world after several promotions, giving up easy work, a ‘C’ level title, and ridiculously awesome pay. I was so enamored by what I was able to accomplish in the online format, and what I learned and how it helped me move forward, I wanted to participate in that market and try and provide those same opportunities for other people.

    Now, I’m no slouch. After really researching the market I realized that many of these schools were ‘relatively’ small, at least compared to say Marriot International. So I decided that the only way I could make a difference is if I could build the connections to run an online school. I worked my connections (you have to network to get work), and became the President/CEO of gazuntite university (real name withheld but it is pretty easy to find out and many know).

    I had a vision, my brother had just passed away from a drug overdose, so the first programs I put together were undergraduate and graduate addiction counseling degrees. I wanted them to be accessible so I made the tuition super low.

    Then an odd thing happened, the low tuition caught fire and we were getting 100’s more inquiries an hour than before, so we lowered the tuition for everything. I suspect there was a pent up demand that we stumbled on to. As the song goes, everything was awesome. My plan was to transition the school to a not for profit and make other improvements. However, the market visibility and good revenue streams attracted some folks who ended up buying the school. My contract didn’t contemplate this, and I had other goals anyway than to work for a big public for profit company (done and done), and many on the board had other ideas (and didn’t care for me anyway), so we parted ways. I got nothing from the sale. The new owners, by the way, have been nothing but kind to me and have helped connect me with some folks for other business ventures outside of education , so nothing but roses there.

    Through this process I have picked up some good friends, and attracted the attention of other also. I had to unplug my linkedin account, for example, because any changes I made would be scrutinized (and even posted here in a negative light). At the time this negativity prompted many inside the industry to shy away from me and even in quorums tell me that they didn’t really see me as school leadership material.

    Okay, so I wasn’t going to be ‘given’ a full time job inside the industry. Got it. What to do. I was able to get a part time gig as a Dean with a friend, again easy to figure out.

    Well first I needed money, the markets were down, so I bought and sold a number of houses, something called flipping. This raised the funds I have been using for the last two years. I met the great folks at ILM, who were interested in a transition for the school, we talked, and landed on the approach that we are set to implement on September 1, 2014. ILM has a great history , and we have plans to do everything right with the school, I believe we will accomplish some amazing things.

    So far we have transitioned from a vocational school to a degree granting school, moved to Colorado, and gotten approvals to change the name and operating model, to William Loveland College (WLC) and not for profit, respectively. We have worked closely with the town we are in and have support from the Mayor and most importantly the people that live here. For example our library services are offered from the local public library, our graduations will take place at the town municipal center, and so on. We plan on building out a nice ground infrastructure too. All in time.

    The administrative office we have set up is 4 blocks from my house near the historic down town, so I literally walk to work each day.

    The new website is in beta and is located here: wlcollege.ilm.edu

    We have a very talented staff, for example as I have seen posted here, a person I met through Degree info is out CAO, and someone who had followed me through this board is the Chair for the MBA (he happened to be located right here in CO).

    We have plans for more programs, but what I need now is a good swell of student to kick start the engine for the MBA program when we relaunch on September 1.

    Any help would be appreciated, as mentioned WLC is a product of this board. If what I have done isn't what this site is for then it is for nothing.

    My plan is to build a school that I would have loved to go to.

    I just think it is interesting that we are publically announcing this ten years from the day I made my first post here.

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    Happy Anniversary Dave. We have known each other a long time. I am glad to have you here.
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    Hi David - I'm glad you're with us. Best of luck with such a big project.
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    Best of luck, David. The beta site looks great, by the way.
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    Does anybody have specific experience enrolling, studying and finishing a degree here (ILM/William Loveland) ?
    Very interested in feedback and overall experience with this program.
    Thanks in advance!

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    Dr. Lady - "We have plans for more programs, but what I need now is a good swell of student to kick start the engine for the MBA program when we relaunch on September 1."

    The program as described by Dr. Lady has been running for less than 1 month.
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    Dr. Lady, I wish you the best of luck. I like what you have done and what you are currently doing for affordable education .

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    Well, it’s almost six weeks since Dave filed his multi-multi-million dollar lawsuit against DEAC, so I decided to do a Google search for any new coverage of this monumental, um, thingey.

    I mean, after all, the filing of a federal lawsuit against a major DoEd-approved accrediting agency would certainly draw attention from, say, the Chronicle of Higher Education. Or, at the least, some coverage from Inside Higher Ed.

    But noooooooooooooooo . . . Nada. Zip. Just one article from a publication I hadn’t even heard of. All of which tells us that the Great Comet of 2017 is going to go nowhere.

    But I did find this thread, which I had not read previously, and was entertained by Dave’s initial post. A lot of bullshit (at which he has become very adept), but a nice sense of drama. So entertaining that I decided to join the recently growing legion of necromancers and comment on it here.

    I hadn’t realized that all of Dave’s degrees were done online. But since I think that all online degrees are also bullshit, I can’t say that I’m surprised. Yes, I know that flouts current thinking in higher education , but I will continue to think of online university as an oxymoron. Especially when someone with the degrees he cites thinks he can simply go out and play the “Hey, kids, let’s start a college!” game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Levicoff View Post
    Well, it’s almost six weeks since Dave filed his multi-multi-million dollar lawsuit against DEAC, so I decided to do a Google search for any new coverage of this monumental, um, thingey.

    I mean, after all, the filing of a federal lawsuit against a major DoEd-approved accrediting agency would certainly draw attention from, say, the Chronicle of Higher Education. Or, at the least, some coverage from Inside Higher Ed.

    But noooooooooooooooo . . . Nada. Zip. Just one article from a publication I hadn’t even heard of. All of which tells us that the Great Comet of 2017 is going to go nowhere.

    But I did find this thread, which I had not read previously, and was entertained by Dave’s initial post. A lot of bullshit (at which he has become very adept), but a nice sense of drama. So entertaining that I decided to join the recently growing legion of necromancers and comment on it here.

    I hadn’t realized that all of Dave’s degrees were done online. But since I think that all online degrees are also bullshit, I can’t say that I’m surprised. Yes, I know that flouts current thinking in higher education , but I will continue to think of online university as an oxymoron. Especially when someone with the degrees he cites thinks he can simply go out and play the “Hey, kids, let’s start a college!” game.
    Steve you never earned a online degree? If not why do you hang around these parts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Levicoff View Post
    Especially when someone with the degrees he cites thinks he can simply go out and play the “Hey, kids, let’s start a college!” game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Levicoff View Post
    Just one article from a publication I hadn’t even heard of.
    I didn't spend much time looking but I only found this

    https://campustechnology.com/article...-warnings.aspx

    Then I found another but it doesn't say anything new

    https://www.newamerica.org/education...accreditation/
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    I believe Steve Levicoff was referring solely to developments in the lawsuit filed against DEAC by William Loveland College.

    What's happened so far can be seen here: https://www.pacermonitor.com/public/...ion_Commission
    A copy of the complaint can be found here: http://loveland.college/

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    Yeah, I'll bet you're right. I didn't look too hard. Partly because I couldn't imagine that there would be much to find. Maybe once something actually happens...
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    Quote Originally Posted by b4cz28 View Post
    Steve you never earned a online degree? If not why do you hang around these parts?
    Same question I've asked. I'm also curious as to what people who feel his way think is dramatically different between ground and online? Having graduated under both methods, I've found many of the same issues, but one advantage I've had online is more contact with professors than I was ever able to get in ground-based classes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LearningAddict View Post
    I've had online is more contact with professors than I was ever able to get in ground-based classes.
    I will agree with you. My only on-campus degree was a very cold and impersonal experience with the professors.

    My current online degree, I have had weekly emails and phone calls every 2 weeks with my professor.

    I have learned much more online than in-class. Wouldn't change a thing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by LearningAddict View Post
    Same question I've asked. I'm also curious as to what people who feel his way think is dramatically different between ground and online? Having graduated under both methods, I've found many of the same issues, but one advantage I've had online is more contact with professors than I was ever able to get in ground-based classes.
    Quote Originally Posted by Michigan68 View Post
    I will agree with you. My only on-campus degree was a very cold and impersonal experience with the professors.

    My current online degree, I have had weekly emails and phone calls every 2 weeks with my professor.

    I have learned much more online than in-class. Wouldn't change a thing.


    Michael
    I very much agree with this. My on campus professors were very pompous and distant. Online I have much better relationships! I have one now that has a phone just for texting students.
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