Cleveland Institute of Electronics under 'Show Cause' status with DETC?

I realize there probably won't be any more official announcements until DETC's next meeting in June, but does anyone have any information about how CIE's accreditation came under scrutiny?

Just curious. They've been around eighty years; since the National Home Study Council days. Seems a shame for them to lose their way now.

Mark

 

Update: World College has surrendered their accreditation according to the DETC document
here. www.worldcollege.edu now redirects to CIE's website.

No word on Cleveland Institute of Electronics' accreditation. There was another meeting of the accrediting commission on June 12/13, but as of this posting there were no results posted.

 

What the heck happened? Was it financial? I remember someone saying enrollments had really dropped over the years. Just terrible.

You hate to see an institution this old go down.

 

I think whatever happened relates to slow business in the bachelor's degree end of things -- so they won't be in that business any more. I'm theorizing that having only a small number of Bachelor's degree students may have made it impossible to meet the financial conditions required by the accreditor. Ergo, no more World College.

When CIE started up, long ago, it didn't offer degrees. It was accredited by DETC long before it offered any degree programs. I'm thinking that CIE will survive regardless, and I suspect there's a good chance it will retain DETC accreditation for whatever courses it continues teaching. CIE never issued anything higher than an Associate Degree. Maybe it will revert to being a non-degree school - or maybe not. We'll very soon see -- I'd give it a month or thereabouts and we should have some more info. I check the DETC site pretty well daily in July.

Johann

 

With people trashing WC and DETC , its not helping to get enrollment.

Here is a a post by moderator Vaso Bovan of a Professional Engineers group on LinkedIn.

He trashes every DETC accredited school.

 

One more

This guy was reported to DETC and CNU by number of LinkedIn members and so far nothing, maybe there is a legal action on the way as he scares students away from these schools.
He also trashed Grantham and Cal Coast Univ.

 

I'll never trash this school, Lerner. I try to save that for schools that deserve a no-mercy trashing. I can think of a few... I've known people who have done well with CIE/World College degrees and, on appropriate occasions, I have recommended it in this forum -and others.

I think what's happening here is another adaptation to change in the marketplace. Other DETC schools (e.g. Penn Foster) began offering degrees, because they knew how to do distance ed. - and there was a market to be tapped for degree-level education.
It worked well for some schools - and apparently it's not working all that well for World College - so maybe a change is in order.

These guys can teach - no doubt about that. And they still offer a lot of well-regarded non-degree courses. Perhaps they'll continue with the Associates degrees - or perhaps not. We'll see. Despite Mr. Boyan's dislike of CIE and other DETC schools, I don't think CIE will be closing its doors. I think it would be a shame if they did. As I see it, they do good work.

People have all sorts of opinions about all sorts of schools. I just don't share Mr. Boyan's opinion of this school.

Johann

 

I'm not sure about legal action, Lerner. Although I don't agree with Mr. Boyan in this case, is he not free to express his dislike for some schools and preference for others? People do that all the time on this forum, don't they? Isn't that within the purpose of the forum?

Johann

 

It appears according Department of Education listing of accredited universities that

Cleveland Institute of Electronics lost/resigned DETC accreditation.

U.S. Department of Education Database of Accredited Postsecondary Institutions and Programs

Institution: Cleveland Institute of Electronics
General Information
1776 East 17th Street
CLEVELAND, OH 44114
Phone: 800-243-6446
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For more information about this institution, visit Electronics OPE ID: 00521000



Institutional Accreditation * denotes an estimated date
Institutional Accreditation Header
Distance Education and Training Council, Accrediting Commission Accredited 07/24/1956 - Resigned 05/01/2014

 

There is currently still an institutional listing for CIE at the DETC website.
However, it indicates that CIE's accreditation was due for renewal in January 2014.

There is currently no institutional listing for World College at the DETC website.

 

Many, perhaps - but not all. I note one DETC school, at least, has escaped Mr. Boyan's wrath - so far. Penn Foster offers degrees in engineering-, electronics- and computer-related fields. Perhaps that's because PFC only offers Associate degrees in these fields - and he may not be looking that far down the food chain.

If DETC follows its usual pattern - I figure it will share any news re: CIE some time close to the middle of July. The meeting was June 12-13 and it's not unusual for up to about 30 days to pass before the results are posted on the web.

Johann

 

http://www.detc.org/UploadedDocuments/Public-Notices/Accreditation-Actions/060214_ac_meeting_report.pdf

Resignation*of*Accreditation**
World*College**
Mr.*John*Drinko,*President**
5193*Shore*Drive,*Suite*105*
Virginia*Beach,*VA*23455‐2500*
www.worldcollege.edu****
757‐464‐4600*main**
Founded*in*1992
World*College*voluntarily*relinquished*institutional*accreditation*while*operating*under*a*Show*
Cause*order.*The*Show*Cause*order*became*effective*on*February*13,*2014.*Resignation*of*
accreditation*of*the*institution*and*the*removal*of*the*institution*from*the*DETC*List*of*Accredited*
Institutions*was*effective*May*1,*2014.*
*
Upcoming*Meeting:*
The*next*meeting*of*the*DETC*Accrediting*Commission*will*be*June*12*and*13,*2014.**
*
Leah*K.*Matthews,*Ph.D.,*Executive*Director


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Wile not cheap Arizona State University ( listed among top 100 Engineering US schools)

Offers 100% on line ABET accredited Bachelors degree in Engineering.
Excelsior College offers 100% DL Engineering Technology degrees also ABET accredited.

CIE has competition.

Also DETC Accrediting Commission made changes to accreditation requirements.
Some colleges must comply or relinquish accreditation.

One such change
2
Instructors teaching technically- or practice-oriented courses must have practical experience in the field and
hold current licenses and/or certifications, as applicable.

3
qualifications for degree-granting institutions are described in C.9. Policy on Degree Programs.

http://www.detc.org/UploadedDocuments/Public-Notices/Changes%20to%20Standards,%20Policies%20and%20Procedures/January2014/1%20-%20A.1.%20Accreditation%20Standards14.pdf


C. Financial Sustainability and Stability
The institution can demonstrate that it maintains adequate administrative staff and other resources to
operate effectively as a going concern and is not exposed to undue or insurmountable risk. Any risk
that exists is adequately monitored, manageable, and insured.

IX. D. Financial Reporting

Financial statements are prepared in accordance with DETC Standards and Policies including C.10.
Policy on Financial Statements. An independent CPA’s audit or review report accompanies these
statements, and a written plan is provided that documents how the institution can resolve any
challenges or anomalies identified in the CPA’s report.
IX. E. Demonstrated Operations
In all respects, accredited institutions must document continuous sound and ethical operations, as
well as the necessary resources to accommodate demand and to ensure all learners receive a quality
educational experience. Applicant institutions must document two continuous years of sound and
ethical operation under the present ownership and with the current programs offered as a bona fide
electronically delivered, online, or other delivery method of distance study. This documentation
shall show that the name being used by the institution is free from any association with activity that
could damage the reputation of the DETC accrediting process, such as illegal actions, fraud,
unethical conduct, or abuse of consumers.

 

It is well, perhaps, to see Mr. Bovan is still alive and opining disdain for distance education. Older members of this forum have previously encountered his ire from this forum's Usenet days. Here is an alt.education.distance thread from 1999 (!).

 

That AED thread was informative and entertaining, Mark. I also followed the Amazon link to his out-of-print book.
My apology to Mr. Bovan, for misspelling his name as "Boyan." I don't think I need to extend any further apologies. :smile:

Johann

 

Back when the world was new and all, CIE courses neither had nor needed accreditation. In those days, during the Great Depression and WWII, a CIE graduate validated his training by passing the FCC First-Class Radiotelephone License exam. The license was the point of the whole endeavor.

I passed that exam in 1972 and it was still a pretty big deal then. I found a good job at a TV station based very largely on the license but the employer was somewhat interested in my CIE diploma.

That license neither exists nor matters today. Modern equipment requires little in the way of maintenance or adjustment. I am afraid that perhaps CIE has outlived its usefulness. We really don't need technicians with real understanding. We just replace modules as necessary.

It's cheaper that way.

 

^^^ Man, that's a sad and sobering commentary. However, we can't forget that CIE has been offering software engineering courses, and that speaks to our modern time.

But just by looking at the site and their materials, they clearly fell behind the times a long time ago.

 

In last of his attacks so far Mr. Vaso Bovan stated that CIE and WC provided training but not education in a degree level.

I think he hates non traditional education and it is even more apparent from his 1999 quotes.

 

Steve I agree with you, but when I read his current comments I think nothing changed.
Its just an opinion I can be wrong.
Regents college is now Excelsior, they offer classes by DL so things did change. But not the man Vaso

I think in a way his advise is to go to a better school. But what he failed to see is that even graduates of a best schools with time can forget.
One employer a Vendor I work with makes his applicants for Engineer jobs to take a written examination. Its a modified FE/EIT exam.
I'm told and I have no way to confirm that a lot of people who score poorly are from name recognized and some from top engineering schools.
They hire only Engineers with ABET accredited degrees.

 

I think this guy is a joke and a loose cannon,
From what I'm told he uses a group on LinkedIn to attack competition, make them look bad so employers wont hire their graduates.

I was told that number of engineers took it to DETC and other Nationally Accrediting agencies they also forwarded his postings to the Professional Engineering board to complain for unethical slandering of legitimate organizations.
The legal action is on the way.

No body gives this guy right to act this way.
I'm told DETC is consulting with a known legal firm, to weight their options to sue Vaso Bovan for slander.