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    SOAS University of London Accreditation?

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    I'm thinking of enrolling at SOAS University of London for the MA in Global Diplomacy : MA Global Diplomacy | Distance Learning | SOAS, UNiversity of London

    1) Is it accredited? It doesn't say.
    2) Is it recognized in the US?
    2) Anyone already enrolled or finished the program? Any feedback?

    Thanks :)

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    "...The School received its Royal Charter on 5 June 1916" - so yes, it is "accredited" as we generally use the word. It's been part of University of London since it opened its doors as the School of Oriental Studies 97 years ago. "African" was added to the name in 1938.

    I don't think a University of London degree should present any problems for the holder in the US -or anywhere else, for that matter. You might find this article useful: SOAS, University of London - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Thanks, Johann, that helps. :)

    Anyone already enrolled or finished the program? Any feedback?

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    Never select SOAS

    Never study at SOAS. It is full of administation erorrs and problems. They do not admit their mistake and blame you insade. They will fail you at exams and if you request for re-check , first they will tell you that they will charge you for re-check (each paper £85 some thing like that) and if you insist they will tell you that the examination board did check the paper but the answers were not critcally analyzed while the truth is that they never look at your paper. Please please save your time and money and dont select this university.

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    I'm sorry that Meshi had an unhappy experience at the University of London. It seems that my own experience with them has been substantially better. We all know even the best school has some disgruntled students. SOAS, or the School Of Advanced Studies is one of the constituent colleges of the University of London and was formed in 1994. In general, it enjoys an excellent reputation. I'm sure that doesn't make Meshi feel any better but I can say with confidence that his experience is the exception, not the rule.

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    [QUOTE=Kizmet;498931SOAS, or the School Of Advanced Studies...[/QUOTE]



    "SOAS, University of London (formerly known as the School of Oriental and African Studies) is the world’s leading institution for the study of Asia, Africa and the Middle East."

    University of London: SOAS, University of London


    Now, apparently, SOAS, though still in acronym form, means something between diddley and squat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by filippo View Post
    Hi -

    I'm thinking of enrolling at SOAS University of London for the MA in Global Diplomacy : MA Global Diplomacy | Distance Learning | SOAS, UNiversity of London

    1) Is it accredited? It doesn't say.
    It's a British public university, part of the University of London. It's accredited by the Quality Assurance Agency for Higher Education (QAA), the British university accreditor.

    School of Oriental and African Studies

    http://www.qaa.ac.uk/en/ReviewsAndRe...n-IRENI-13.pdf

    2) Is it recognized in the US?
    Yes. It's considered high profile and prestigious at what it does (area studies).

    2) Anyone already enrolled or finished the program? Any feedback?
    Not me, I don't have any personal experience with it.

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    Thanks guys, my mistake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by filippo View Post
    2) Is it recognized in the US?
    This can depend somewhat. Will it be considered by US institutions of higher education as on-par with a similar credential/course from a US based institution? Most likely. There your typical limitations apply (e.g. Those courses in Agricultural Economics probably won't transfer into a divinity program).

    How will employers receive it? Million dollar question right there. Some employers would consider it a plus. Others would scratch their heads and wonder if this was a real school. The latter position is somewhat rare but it does, unfortunately, happen.

    I knew a hiring manager (software development) who refused any candidate with a foreign degree unless the person originated from that country (or at least it appeared reasonable that they were from that country). His opinion on U.S. citizens earning foreign degrees was that they couldn't get into a good U.S. school or they were simply lying about having a degree.

    One such candidate had an undergrad degree in CS from Cornell and a Masters (timed out on a PhD and had the dignity to not be a permanent ABD) from Aalborg. Hiring manager didn't even interview him.

    We are a big country. And so there is no universal rule as to what will be "recognized" when it comes to higher ed among employers. But another aspect to being so big is that there are large swatches of the country where folks have never encountered anyone from another country. It creates a sort of attitude of American exceptionalism that can color hiring decisions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neuhaus View Post

    I knew a hiring manager (software development) who refused any candidate with a foreign degree unless the person originated from that country (or at least it appeared reasonable that they were from that country). His opinion on U.S. citizens earning foreign degrees was that they couldn't get into a good U.S. school or they were simply lying about having a degree.

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    This is also racism. Some people would never consider resumes with degrees from Latin America, Africa, India, etc mainly because they don't want to hire people from these countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RFValve View Post
    This is also racism. Some people would never consider resumes with degrees from Latin America, Africa, India, etc mainly because they don't want to hire people from these countries.

    "...unless the person originated from that country (or at least it appeared reasonable that they were from that country)."

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    I know a white guy who is from South Africa and he says that every now and then he runs into someone who tells him that he can't be from Africa because he's white.

    I think decimon's comment is on point
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neuhaus View Post
    How will employers receive it? Million dollar question right there. Some employers would consider it a plus. Others would scratch their heads and wonder if this was a real school. The latter position is somewhat rare but it does, unfortunately, happen.

    I knew a hiring manager (software development) who refused any candidate with a foreign degree unless the person originated from that country (or at least it appeared reasonable that they were from that country). His opinion on U.S. citizens earning foreign degrees was that they couldn't get into a good U.S. school or they were simply lying about having a degree.

    One such candidate had an undergrad degree in CS from Cornell and a Masters (timed out on a PhD and had the dignity to not be a permanent ABD) from Aalborg. Hiring manager didn't even interview him.
    Somehow I think this was not the guy's only job lead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanislav View Post
    Somehow I think this was not the guy's only job lead.
    It's a fairly common occurrence. You get a rockstar job candidate and you're not sure why they are even considering your company. That rockstar then gets interviewed by someone who managed to wiggle into a management job by simply sitting around and waiting for enough talented colleagues to move on. Many of them feel threatened by individuals who have more prestigious credentials, experience with more reputable companies etc.

    Let me just address that racism claim real quick (switching over from Stanislav to decimon, Kizmet, RFValve and Steve)...

    Yes, that absolutely does happen. My first HR job I worked for a guy who said that Indian degrees weren't real. It didn't matter what they were in. It didn't matter how top notch the school was in India. If the candidate had a degree from India they were a no-go. He, generously in his opinion, was willing to flex only if they had a Masters from a really solid U.S. school. His opinion was absolutely dripping with a very thinly veiled racism.

    But the individual I was referring to in that earlier post wasn't, I don't believe anyway, acting out of racism. He had a diverse team. He had no problem hiring a person from Ethiopia with a degree from the University of Addis Ababa. But if, say, I walked in for an interview with a degree from a Chinese university, he'd assume shenanigans.

    That happens a lot. And there are a lot of folks who hold similar views without realizing it. If you go to a physician's office, the doctor is named "Martinez" and he speaks with an accent, you probably wouldn't give that Mexican medical degree a second glance. But when Seamus O'Reilly, with blazing red hair and a Boston accent sports the same degree it makes people wonder. One might even say it is "wicked shady."

    Racism is absolutely a problem in hiring. But I've found the jobs that require more technical, and therefore easily demonstrable, skills tend to be a bit more diverse and open to other cultures than those relying solely on the qualitative assessment of softer skills.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neuhaus View Post
    If you go to a physician's office, the doctor is named "Martinez" and he speaks with an accent, you probably wouldn't give that Mexican medical degree a second glance. But when Seamus O'Reilly, with blazing red hair and a Boston accent sports the same degree it makes people wonder. One might even say it is "wicked shady."

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    Many Canadians get Mexican MDs as it is not so cheap and easy to get accepted in Medical schools in Canada. If a Canadian named John Abbott gets a Mexican MD and a Canadian medical license, I am sure that nobody would question him in his practice in Canada but if Martinez is practicing in Canada with the same degree even with a Canadian license, few might not consider him.

    There is a bias towards degrees granted by schools from developing nations. Few studies in Canada have revealed that you have considerable less chances of finding employment if your degree is not from a Western European, Canadian, US or Australian school.

    I know some people get excited when they find very cheap options from India or other developing nations but you should factor in the bias factor.

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