WEU.......any idea?

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  1. afaf

    afaf New Member

    Hi,
    In my long trip of looking for cheap tuitions universities....I have found World Education University .........I ve sent them an email and they told me that it is free.....Do you have any information about this university and is it accredited?
    Thank you
     
  2. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    Their website says that they are preparing the materials necessary to apply for accreditation.
     
  3. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    No, it is not accredited. But it does seem like an honest effort, if that makes a difference.
     
  4. JWC

    JWC New Member

    I am enrolled in their Master of Science in Dispute Resolution program. It appears to be very rigorous.
     
  5. laferney

    laferney Active Member

    Progams offered but courses not available

    I signed up for the graduate certificate in Neuropsychology and completed the orientation only to discover that all the courses required for the certificate are not available yet. This is true of alot of their programs. They will e-mail me when the courses become available. They are supposed to be available soon.
    I would be better to have the courses available before offering the program as this was disappointing.
     
  6. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    Unacredited, but free. We recently had discussions about this school. I came to the conclusion since it's free, the most I could lose is my time and I could think of any of a number of worse ways to spend it.

    I've decided to go for their Diploma in Paralegal Studies and their MBA. Better get in now before they suddenly realize they can't be free anymore. Also- heck, it might be a long shot, but imagine they get accredited in the middle of finishing a degree with them (you'd have to play a Batman Gambit to get the timing right, but...) I might luck out and end up with a free accredited degree. Yeah, a dream, but heck, it would be cool! ;)

    If the programs are REALLY are that good, then I'll walk away with some great knowledge and, FYI, knowledge doesn't need to be accredited.

    @laferney- Oh, now it makes sense!! If you look through their program list, there are a number of degree and diploma pages that list no courses. I thought it was some sort of error, but apparently those are the courses unavailable.
     
  7. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    Saylor has been known to list courses that are either unfinished or unavailable altogether as well. It may be done as a way to gauge interest.
     
  8. afaf

    afaf New Member

    thank you very much for your replies
     
  9. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Two things about WEU give me pause to wonder:

    From its website: "WEU is authorized to operate as a degree granting institution of higher education and is exempt from the California Private Post-Secondary Act of 2009."

    (1) I've never been able to figure why it's exempt -or if it really is. I once sent them an e-mail asking - and got no reply.

    From an article, URL below: "The university operates as a degree-granting university through third-party evaluations and exams at Excelsior College in Albany, New York that range from $40 to $400."

    (2) So just how free is a WEU degree?

    World Education University Disrupts the Cost of Higher Education - Vander Ark on Innovation - Education Week

    Anybody know the answer to (1) or (2)? And just who "authorized" them? No BPPE permission, that's for sure.

    Johann
     
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  10. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    I remember reading that it was exempt because t program costs were lower than a certain threshold for the law to apply. Sorry, I don't have the link, but it might be in one of the two recent threads about WEU (I'm on my smartphone, which makes finding it and copy/paste too much of a chore for me get it for you at the moment).

    Wow. Just about every single sentence in that article is inaccurate. As far as I can tell, the writer is confusing the degrees WEU grants with its partnership with Excelsior. If the article IS making that mistake, it would be in line with all the other errors it contains.
     
  11. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Thanks, Maniac. You're right. I believe the BPPE escape clause comes in if the entire degree program is under $2,500. I'll take your word on the inaccuracy of the article. I hope your program with them works out well for you.

    Johann
     
  12. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    The article calls straighterline a university and claims that pearsonvue proctors courses, among a number of other oddities.

    They have a CAGS in International Business that looks interesting and is a much lower hanging fruit (5 courses) than the MBA (it doesnt say how many courses are required, but it lists 30... that would be one whopper of an MBA if they were all required!).

    But, hey! I looked around a bit more and found that while the courses are free, there are resources for some classes that might only be accessible for a fee. It's oddly worded, but it seems to suggest that not all classes have such paid resources and that payinf the fee is not necessary for actually conpleting the class. Although, you'd still have to get the info somehow, I presume :dunno:.
     
  13. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    That was the original language of the California legislation, but before passage they changed it to say that low tuition only exempts institutions that do not offer degrees.
     
  14. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Just a second, Maniac. That Pearson Vue-MOOC info appears all over. Here's a Canadian source (and our reporters are never wrong :smile: )

    "Some edX students have the option of writing final exams at Pearson’s test centres."

    It's here and I found it half-a-dozen other places, too. Are they all wrong? :question: :question:

    All about MOOCs | University Affairs

    Johann
     
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  15. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Thanks, Steve.

    So my question remains: What is the basis of WEU's claimed exemption, if they really have one, as they say. Looks like I wasn't as wrong as I thought!

    I still believe there's never a free lunch -- and quite often, that weird old Emperor likes to run around without any clothes -- California weather suits him, I guess! :smile:

    I'm back to thinking this might just be be one of those occasions. No accreditation, no State Permission (BPPE) and -- no oversight?

    Johann
     
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  16. Maxwell_Smart

    Maxwell_Smart Active Member

    I sent the WEU an email asking about the possibility of having their courses evaluated for credit by ACE and NCCRS. A high-ranking company official replied and stated that they are in the process of working with ACE right now, and that they are looking into the NCCRS as a result of my suggestion.

    They really may have something here. They're not milling, they're not claiming fake accreditation, and they have the understanding that having their courses evaluated for credit is a great way to offer students more value as well as giving the school some greater preparation for future institutional accreditation attempts.

    If it all works out, this may be a blueprint for future upstart schools to learn from.
     
  17. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    That's right, they're not claiming accreditation. All they're claiming is exemption from State permission. I can't figure why they'd be exempt. Their claim of exemption has been discussed in 3 or 4 forums and neither has anyone else figured it, so far - and WEU itself never replied to me on that matter.

    People might prefer to look at UOTP. It's "tuition-free" as they say, but it really costs $100 a course - "exam processing fee." At least they've applied for DETC accreditation - no guarantees, though.

    The man who started UOTP started with $millions, from the sale of his business. AFAIK, he won't have to worry about return on, or repayment of outside seed-money, or ad-supported revenue, as is the case with WEU. UOTP seems a lot less nebulous.

    University of the People

    Johann
     
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  18. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    And Maniac -- despite all I've said about WEU - and the articles - I still hope that if you've firmly decided on it, you have a good experience and prove me completely wrong. You're one of the good guys. :smile:

    Johann
     
  19. CalDog

    CalDog New Member

    WEU is a for-profit enterprise, as its FAQs acknowledge. So they are expecting to gain revenue from your participation. Since courses are free, the revenue won't be coming from tuition. So what's their plan?

    The WEU Catalog provides some possible clues:

    My advice: if you sign up with WEU, get a separate email address for this purpose. WEU's business model appears to be based on the sale of online advertising, as well as the sale of student email addresses. So you might want to take steps to protect your usual inbox from WEU spam.
     
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  20. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Good call -- as usual, CalDog!

    Johann
     

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