University Abat Oliba (UAO) in Barcelona, Spain - PhD and MA via Distance Through AAI

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  1. Boethius

    Boethius Member

    The University Abat Oliba (UAO) is now offering full and part-time PhD and MA degrees via distance through the Adler-Aquinas Institute (AAI) here in the United States. The degree programs are new and both UAO and AAI will soon update their websites to indicate their collaborative agreement.

    Facts:

    1. UAO is a private B&M Catholic University with RA and NA accreditations.
    2. AAI’s mission statement:

    The Adler-Aquinas Institute was founded to provide a sound philosophical metaphysics (rooted in first principles grounded in sense wonder about the being of sensible things and faculties and habits of the intellectual soul) and a sound theology (rooted in revelation and the Magisterium consistently interpreting that revelation and the necessary conclusions there from), to open the minds of students to an appreciation of the spiritual as well as the scientific and humanistic inheritance of Western civilization.

    3. UAO is RA through the Interuniversity Council of Catalonia, Spain
    4. UAO is NA through the University Council, a division of Spain’s Ministry of Education
    5. Both PhD and MA are offered by the UAO’s Humanities and Education Department
    6. The MA is in Humanistic and Social Studies (focused on the thought and philosophy of St. Thomas Aquinas)
    7. The PhD is in Thomistic Studies (again, focused on the thought and philosophy of St. Thomas Aquinas)
    8. You must have an MA to be admitted to the PhD program, preferably UAO's MA. If you don’t have UAO's MA, they will review your MA and most likely require that you take some of their MA courses before starting the PhD.
    9. Both PhD and MA work are done and written in English, although if you know Spanish or Catalán, that would be helpful. I’m currently listening to lectures in Spanish via video link.
    10. The MA requires course work and a thesis; the PhD is dissertation-only like UNiSA.
    11. AAI Scholars scholars teach some of the MA courses; they are also appointed as dissertation advisers and guide PhD students in the USA.
    12. The MA is done completely via distance.
    13. The PhD student is required to travel only one time to Barcelona to defend his or her dissertation.
    14. On a part-time basis, UAO will allow a student to complete their PhD in 5 years. Under special circumstances, they can extend the time to 6, 7, or 8 years maximum. Not sure about the MA.
    15. The total cost of the MA at today’s exchange rates without books and other administrative fees is about $5,000 (US). For the PhD, UAO requires a matriculation fee of about $1,000 (US) a year. Again, this doesn’t include the cost of books and travel.
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    Needless to say, I am thrilled to have the opportunity to pursue a PhD from UAO through AAI. :cool: I submit my application by October 2013 and decisions for admission will be made in November 2013.

    I know this is a very narrow field but I’m sharing this in case anyone is interested.
     
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  2. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I'll never qualify for the degree, but I share your interest in St. Thomas Aquinas. I have a 20-lecture series on him on my MP3 player right now. I wonder, sometimes, if he were still among us, what his reaction to the current pricing model in US Higher education would be?

    St. Thomas argued that it was immoral for sellers to raise their prices simply because buyers were in pressing need of a product. :smile:

    I suspect much of the dramatic rise in cost of higher ed. is simply because they (the suppliers) can. :sad:

    Johann
     
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  3. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    This is not what RA and NA mean. This school is neither, not both. An American foreign credential evaluation service may report that it's the equivalent to RA, but even if that's so that's not the same thing.
     
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  4. Boethius

    Boethius Member

    In the strict sense of what RA and NA mean in the USA, you are correct. But, UAO and its degree programs are approved by the self-governing body of the region of Catalonia and Spain's Ministry of Education. I borrowed the terms RA and NA to convey these points. The bottom line is that UAO's PhD and MA are solid programs. I don't see these programs having any difficulty being accepted in the USA.
     
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  5. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    It's a great find. Thanks for sharing it with us. I'm certain of your admission. Best of luck with your program. I hope you'll keep us updated.
     
  6. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    The problem is that regional and national accreditation in the U.S. are not analogous to approval from country and sub-country governments or organizations abroad. Both regional and national accreditation are done by private organizations in the U.S., and regional accreditation is more widely recognized than national accreditation is. Because of this widespread perception that regional is "better" than national, American institutions almost never have both, and a number of countries, such as the UK, do not recognize universities that only have national accreditation.

    So unless you're saying that, for example, UK universities will recognize this school based on its being approved by the Interuniversity Council of Catalonia but would reject it if it were only approved by Spain's Ministry of Education, then you really shouldn't use these terms.

    Me either.
     
  7. Boethius

    Boethius Member

    Agreed. Since RA and NA are loaded US terms, it was not a good choice for me to use them to describe UAO's status as a solid university.
     
  8. Boethius

    Boethius Member

    Thank you Kizmet. I hope it works out. I'm gathering my sources to get a head start on the program, even if I have to take additional Master's courses. I already have a Master of Arts degree from a Roman Catholic seminary. Some of the coursework included Thomas Aquinas, Aristotle, and ethics. My second Master's in public administration included studies on the philosophical underpinnings of the US Constitution and ethics in government. So I anticipate not taking too many additional Master's courses for their PhD program.
     
  9. Boethius

    Boethius Member

    Johann,

    AAI is planning to offer catechetical courses via distance. Since most of the AAI scholars are Thomists, I'm sure some of their courses will be devoted to the thought of St. Thomas Aquinas.

    What is the name of the lecture series you purchased?
     
  10. RAM PhD

    RAM PhD Member

    Since degree mills "sell" a product (as opposed to providing an education), does St. Thomas's argument apply to the mills? :)
     
  11. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I can't speak for him, of course -- but I rather think St. Thomas would find the false products of the mills morally objectionable at any price.

    Nowadays, education has been so commoditized in our society that yes - legitimate schools can truly be said to "sell" their instruction. The only difference: what the legit schools sell has a certain value. What the mills sell does not.

    And Boethius - I'll get back to you on the lecture set. Stay tuned.

    Johann

    Johann
     
  12. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I didn't purchase them. They were a free download. I believe they came from this site:

    Course – The Mind of Man: The Philosophy of St. Thomas Aquinas | DominicanWitness.com

    Just right-click on the lecture titles -- "save target" and down they come.

    Johann
     
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  13. Boethius

    Boethius Member

    The Adler-Aquinas Institute website is updated to reflect the MA-PhD program requirements. Cost information for 2013-2014 is indicated as well. (By the way, I translated the MA coursework requirements into English.)
     
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  14. Gaius

    Gaius New Member

    Boethius,

    Could I gather any information on your experience at Abat Oliba? I am very interested in the program.
     
  15. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    You do realize, do you not, that you are responding to a three year old thread.
     
  16. Gaius

    Gaius New Member

    Yes, of course, but I went this route in addition to PMing Boethius.

    Is starting a new thread a better option?
     
  17. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    No, it's good to use old threads. I'm afraid though that our friend Boethius doesn't spend much of his time here anymore. Perhaps he's busy with school. In any case, you've chosen a fairly obscure school for your inquiry and I'm unsure if anyone else has and experience with this particular university. I hope you let us know if you learn anything further.
     
  18. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I agree with Kizmet, you're okay. It just means the odds of a response are low, not that they're zero. PMing in addition was probably your best bet.
     
  19. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    Never mind.
     
  20. mahfood

    mahfood New Member

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