Penn Foster

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  1. CV26

    CV26 New Member

    Hello guys

    I'm currently enrolled in Penn Foster High School and I will be graduating next month. This diploma will open doors for me to pursue higher education in the near future. I'm very happy that I cannot wait for this moment to come.

    I love music, and I always have the passion to make music everyday. I really want to be an audio/recording engineer, but I'm a little discouraged because I have stopped producing for a little over 3 years now, and I just recently started to pick it up again. Had it not been for that I would have been on top of my game now. I would probably have signed label and make big hits now.

    My goal after I'm done with High School is to get into an Audio Institute where I can learn how to mix and record and get all the training I need. The problem is I just can't find any of that online. Basically I'm looking for an accredited Audio Institute that would allow me to go back to college. Does anybody know if this thing exist at all? There's a community college in my area that does offer Audio Engineering program, but I don't know if they will accept my high school credits from Penn Foster. I called Admission 2 weeks ago and left 3 messages on their voice mail, and since then I never heard anything back from them. If I'm not fortune enough to go there, I will have to change my career, but the problem is I don't know what else to go for. Music is my life and it's the only thing I'm good at. I have been thinking about just get an AS in something after I'm done with my high school. Can anybody offer some advice? Would they accept Penn Foster High School credits?
     
  2. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Associates, Bachelors & Masters Degrees : Full Sail University

    Check out Full Sail University

    I think spending time with instructor in the studio is required so I don't know about DL in this case.
    They have DL degrees maybe a combination of on line and campus.

    Do more research and contact them.

    Recording Arts Bachelor's Degree : Full Sail
    Since the career paths in sound and audio engineering aren't limited to just one
    thing, we don't believe your education should be, either. In our Recording Arts ...
    Recording Arts Bachelor's Degree : Full Sail
    Careers - Recording Engineering : Full Sail
    Full Sail's Recording Engineering Associate's Degree teaches the fundamentals
    needed to record quality audio for a variety of music genres and media.
    Careers - Recording Engineering : Full Sail
    Recording Engineering Associate's Degree : Full Sail
    Full Sail's Recording Engineering Associate's Degree teaches the fundamentals
    needed to record quality audio for a variety of music genres and media.
    Recording Engineering Associate's Degree : Full Sail
     
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  3. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I don't see why they wouldn't. Penn Foster's High School Program is Regionally Accredited - that's as good as it gets.

    I'd forget Full Sail, unless you have lots of money and live down the road from the school. It has a good enough rep. but it's HORRIBLY expensive, especially for an NA school. About $78K for a Bachelor's in your field. For your kind of study, you'd have to be there quite a bit - on the "campus extended" format. You sort of have to open your ears and get your hands on a real board -- I'm sure you know that, as you have acquired some studio "chops" in the past, according to what you wrote.

    My advice: Don't look for distance study. Do pursue your local college. Go down there. I don't think your high school credits should be a problem. You got them for just this purpose, didn't you? You might also want to try to re-establish the contacts you had before you stopped -- and get back into a studio again, even on a volunteer basis to begin with.

    How realistic is that? In another thread, someone noted that every 12-year-old kid wants to be a game designer with an ultra-successful game. I think this is the same deal. It's certainly far from a sure thing. All have hopes - very few make it to the top. Ask Jay-Z! :smile:

    AS in "something"? That's WAY too general to give any useful advice. You might want to peruse the Penn Foster catalog again. They have a number of NA Associate degrees - nobody beats them on price...

    I wish you every success -- but don't give up your day job just yet...

    Johann
     
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  4. Jonathan Whatley

    Jonathan Whatley Well-Known Member

    Seconded enthusiastically.
     
  5. CV26

    CV26 New Member

    Thank you so much for this, I will definitely check those out.

    They really have some cool and amazing programs being offered, only downsize is Full Sail is it's not accredited by one of the regional accreditation, so their credits won't transfer.

    I found a better one. Berkelee College of Music.

    "Berklee College of Music is accredited by the New England Association of Schools and Colleges (NEASC)."

    Online Courses and Programs in Music Production, Guitar, Songwriting, Music Business, & Music Theory | Berkleemusic.com
     
  6. Jonathan Whatley

    Jonathan Whatley Well-Known Member

    I like a lot about Berkleemusic. A few things to keep in mind:

    Berkleemusic, which offers these courses and certificates online, is the extension division of the Berklee College of Music. So far so good.

    Berkleemusic does not grant any degrees itself. This puts it in different class than extension or online divisions that do grant degrees (Harvard Extension, Penn State World Campus, etc.) This may be relevant to transferring credits from Berkleemusic to a degree program.

    Can you transfer Berkleemusic credits to a degree at the Berklee College of Music?

    Yes. But as of this writing, the Berklee College of Music non-extension will accept no more than two Berkleemusic courses, and as electives. Only 12-week courses are granted credit through this pathway, and they only grant 2 credits (semester hours) per course. Berklee Credit Transfer Policy.

    This is even though all the 12-week Berkleemusic courses I see are billed as "3 credits." So: The credit counts advertised, and used within Berkleemusic for their non-degree certificate programs, don't correspond with how Berklee actually counts these credits toward a degree. And at most only two courses – 2 x 2 = 4 sh – of Berkleemusic credit can apply toward a Berklee degree. And it seems that this wouldn't count toward any subject area requirement in music, since they transfer as electives.

    What if you sought to transfer Berkleemusic courses to another school?

    It's possible the other school would simply see 3 credits per course of Berkleemusic credit, with Berkleemusic being the extension division of the regionally accredited Berklee, and transfer them in as such.

    However, it's very possible that your transfer school won't be any more generous in accepting Berkleemusic transfer credit toward their degrees than Berklee is itself toward their degrees.

    Keep in mind too that these are expensive courses. The "3 credit" – but really 2 sh in credit toward a Berklee degree – courses I'm looking at are $1400 each. It could be awful to invest $14000 in ten courses expecting 30 sh, one academic year, of degree credit in msuic, and only get 4 sh in free electives. Some schools could even grant less. Sometimes there has to be a corresponding course at the target school to which the transfer credit closely matches. Some of Berkleemusic's subjects are emerging or highly specialized. "Music Theory 101" is more likely to map to another course at another school than "Sound Design Using Reason" is.

    Now, for $1400 online courses in subjects like mixing and guitar tabs, Berkleemusic may be the best provider on earth. But real caution is in order around the transferability of credits.

    Also, unlike Berklee non-extension, Berkleemusic doesn't participate in the standard national financial aid system (FAFSA, Pell Grants, Stafford Loans). Instead, Berkleemusic recommends private loans through financial companies. Berkleemusic does accept some U.S. military and military spouse tuition benefits.
     
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  7. Ian Anderson

    Ian Anderson Active Member

    My step-son graduated from USC with a minor in recording. Throught that school he found lots of contacts that landed him great jobs in the recording and movie fields. However he left those fields a few years ago for various reasons including the advent of multiple, low cost, small recording studios and do-it-yourself equipment.


    That is a great idea - you might want to investigate those offered by TESC
    AAS: AAS in Applied Computer Studies Degree at Thomas Edison State College
    AA: Thomas Edison State College: Associate in Arts

    Include courses that will work towards your current goals (recording) as well as other careers such as physics, computer science, electronics, music, and recording. You can take these courses at any regionally accredited school which can reduce your tuition costs. If you can't find appropriate courses you can always ask here for ideas. Also TESC provides credit if you pass CLEP and DSST challenge exams; another low cost way to earn credit.

    Lastly TESC provides credit for life learning experience (you may have some of that already). Only issue is that it tends to be expensive. Check out Levicoff's article on this approach at http://www.degreeinfo.com/content/124-college-credit-what-you-already-know-unofficial-thomas-edison-state-college-tesc-portfolio-guide.html
     
  8. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    TESC is a partner school with LearningCounts which offers PLA (prior learning assessment) services for a lot less. You can earn up to 12 credits for $250.

    I produce music as a hobby. I was looking at online audio engineering programs a couple of years ago just out of curiosity. I came across Berklee, Full Sail, and a couple of other schools I can't remember. SAE offers online programs, but I don't know if they're accredited. I don't think it really even matters in this industry. I came across this RA school in Texas.
    Audio Engineering Online Courses Midlands Technical College Corporate & Continuing Education
     
  9. Jonathan Whatley

    Jonathan Whatley Well-Known Member

    The sagely Johann – who I'm now going to picture as the guy on the left below – has a point. Tell us what you WILL do today and tomorrow and after that, in this timeline.

    On that note, here's something: CV, you might invest some time in polishing up and assembling some of your best original work, and a personal statement, that you could use in a portfolio. If you can show your talent, passion, and drive in a portfolio, you could use this in applications to selective programs including at the bachelor's level.

    You could also, very possibly, use this to apply for scholarships.

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  10. Jonathan Whatley

    Jonathan Whatley Well-Known Member

    +1. Let me add to the mix education, and business.

    One of the things I really do like about Berklee, the main program, is this letter from the president of the college to parents of prospective students, which is awesome. In part:

     
  11. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    Berklee is a super cool place. It sweats creativity. People don't go there so that they can wear button-downs and live in a small ranch house in the burbs. This is directly related to a previous thread(s) about ROI. I'm calling it eROI. It's emotional return on investment. Do what you love.
     
  12. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Berklee has many, many super freebies on Youtube as well. I've seen lots of 'em. Among others, I greatly enjoy their resident blues professor, Mike Williams. He has several great expository videos on T-Bone Walker's playing techniques. One here:

    Play Blues Guitar Like T Bone Walker - Guitar Lesson - YouTube

    Johann
     
  13. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Just checked - it's the BerkleeMusic subsidiary (mentioned by Jonathan) that provides the Youtube videos - 349 of them, so far.

    Johann
     

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