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    Quote Originally Posted by cgarretson View Post
    Based on my research, NCU has/had a big problem with the dissertation process. Many sites show disgruntled students in this process. Once again, I'm not saying those students are wrong in any regard. I'm just trying to find the correct school with the least amount of "problems" as well as a reputable status. Price may be of concern depending on if Uncle Sam is willing to pay via Chapter 31 (Vocational Rehabilitation).
    I made it through the NCU dissertation process in 3 DIS classes (the minimum). It all depends on the chair to help you move through the process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randell1234 View Post
    I made it through the NCU dissertation process in 3 DIS classes (the minimum). It all depends on the chair to help you move through the process.
    Perhaps it depends on the program and the timing...?

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    A shill is typically thought of as someone who is being dishonest about their relationship with a school (or other entity) while they are promoting that school/entity. For example, if I am posing as a student of XYZ University and talking about how great the school is but in reality I am a paid member of a marketing team assigned to promote the school then I am a shill. Or, if I am pretending to be objective (not connected to the school in any way) but in reality I am a student or paid employee of the school then I am a shill. We expect people to disclose their relationships with schools they discuss and this is one of the reasons that people put their affiliations in their sig lines. But if, for example, I am singing the praises of Wentworth I am not a shill because I have made full disclosure and people can evaluate my words based on the fact that I may have a positive bias toward my alma mater. There's nothing wrong or improper about saying good things (or even bad things) about a school you've attended. In fact, we love it when our members talk about their academic experiences because it helps others to make more informed choices.
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    thanks for the clarification, but no i'm not a shill. the only university affiliation i've had is from a B&M in my home state. That's why I'm quite ignorant across this entire community. I tend to do research along with input from first hand experiencers as i dont want to go to a DL college to be stuck with a dullard. Once again I'm open to ALL suggestions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cgarretson View Post
    thanks for the clarification, but no i'm not a shill. the only university affiliation i've had is from a B&M in my home state. That's why I'm quite ignorant across this entire community. I tend to do research along with input from first hand experiencers as i dont want to go to a DL college to be stuck with a dullard. Once again [U]I'm open to ALL suggestions.
    No worries. RFValve has also called others an "NCU shill" too, to include myself, so you're in good company. When Ad Hominem attacks become someone's comfort zone, their argument becomes weak.

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    No harm no foul, currently i'm looking into walden and capella more in depth. despite their residency requirements, they still are high on my list for a masters degree. does anyone have first hand experience with either of these institutions?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cgarretson View Post
    ......... i'm looking into walden and capella ............ does anyone have first hand experience with either of these institutions?
    Shawn A. earned his PhD at Capella . See post number 25.

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    I think a lot of the complaints that you can read on the internet are from students back in the 07/08 range where the school didnt have the resources and proper stages set in place which doesn't give the University an excuse AT ALL but thats my opinion. I've been at the university for a year and although none of my students who I advise have gotten to their dissertation yet, they haven't had a problem yet and/or gotten their dissertation process almost already nailed down. Maybe I'm a different advisor? Maybe I go the extra mile that any student wants from their support system? I'm not sure. But with all the faculty being full time now and the Provost really making his mark in the dissertation process and listening to the feedback, I think that culture has changed...but thats just my opinion

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    Quote Originally Posted by RFValve View Post
    Between NCU and Walden, I would chose Walden for few reasons. Walden has a good record of graduates working in Academia. Just google PhD Walden and you will find many graduated working as full time academics. This shows a good acceptability of this degree in the academic setting.

    There are some residency requirements with Walden but this actually gives credibility to your degree as it shows that Walden is interested in making sure that students meet with faculty in order to make sure that you succeed with your education .

    In Psychology , Saybrooke has also good reputation for its distance programs. Check this school too
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    I googled 10 pages and found ZERO faculty with Walden PhDs at legitimate universities (other than those employed by Walden)
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    Quote Originally Posted by warguns View Post
    I googled 10 pages and found ZERO faculty with Walden PhDs at legitimate universities (other than those employed by Walden)
    I googled "Ph.D., Walden University" site:.edu -site:waldenu.edu. There appears to be page after page after page of faculty listings with the string "Ph.D., Walden University" at .edu domain holders other than Walden.

    ETA: Lots for "Ed.D., Walden University" site:.edu -site:waldenu.edu also. Little for "D.B.A., Walden University" site:.edu -site:waldenu.edu.
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    Quote Originally Posted by warguns View Post
    I googled 10 pages and found ZERO faculty with Walden PhDs at legitimate universities (other than those employed by Walden)
    Are you kidding me? Here is a list after full 2 minutes of search (I did not include the Kaplans, NCU, Capella or any for profit online school)


    Ryerson (Canada)
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    University of Maryland University College
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    East Carolina University
    East Carolina University - Faculty College of Technology and Computer Science

    Adeler Graduate school
    William J. Premo, PhD | Adler Graduate School

    Our lady of our lake University
    Our Lady of the Lake University - Faculty

    University of TExas

    Faculty

    Seton Hall University
    Associate Professor - Graduate Dept. Jamesetta Halley-Boyce, PhD, RN, FACHE - Faculty Profiles - Seton Hall University, New Jersey

    Memorial University
    School of Nursing | Faculty

    Champlain College
    Dr. Debra Lawrence, PhD

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    Quote Originally Posted by RFValve View Post
    Are you kidding me? Here is a list after full 2 minutes of search
    Look man, you just can't expect everyone to invest that kind of effort!
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    Quote Originally Posted by RFValve View Post
    I did the same for NCU and was surprise there were so many-

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randell1234 View Post
    I did the same for NCU and was surprise there were so many-
    One has to be careful with this type of analysis. While it is exciting to see many people being successful with PhDs from NCU or Walden, we have to see how many of these where actually given the job because the PhD from Walden or NCU. I see that many of the links you posted are for people with Lecturer positions rather than professor positions, Lecturer positions do not require a PhD as most of the time only a Master's is required. There are also community colleges that do not require a PhD. You have faculty that might be already working as full time faculty and used the PhD just for promotion.

    Not trying to bring down Walden or NCU but we cannot conclude that because some people have PhDs from these institutions and work as faculty, we can conclude that these positions were gotten after the PhD was granted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RFValve View Post
    One has to be careful with this type of analysis. While it is exciting to see many people being successful with PhDs from NCU or Walden, we have to see how many of these where actually given the job because the PhD from Walden or NCU. I see that many of the links you posted are for people with Lecturer positions rather than professor positions, Lecturer positions do not require a PhD as most of the time only a Master's is required. There are also community colleges that do not require a PhD. You have faculty that might be already working as full time faculty and used the PhD just for promotion.

    Not trying to bring down Walden or NCU but we cannot conclude that because some people have PhDs from these institutions and work as faculty, we can conclude that these positions were gotten after the PhD was granted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RFValve View Post
    While it is exciting to see many people being successful with PhDs from NCU or Walden, we have to see how many of these where actually given the job because the PhD from Walden or NCU.
    It has been my experience over the last 35 years in this field that nontraditional doctorates are NOT pathways to traditional assistant professorships. That said....

    There are many ways to enter academia besides the traditional grad-student-earns-Ph.D.-and-takes-low-level-and-paying assistant-professorship. If a university wants you, they need you to have an acceptable degree so they can hire you. The bigger person you are in your field, the less it matters where you earned your doctorate. I suspect a lot of these people were hired on the basis of their professional accomplishments; the degree ensured their acceptability and not much more.

    I have a colleague who is a university president. During her administrative career at that school (and a bit lower on the organizational chart), someone above advised her to get a doctorate. She chose a night school program, earned the degree, and removed that potential objection to her rise. The degree itself mattered little (or even at all); it removed an obstacle. Well, degrees from nontraditional schools (Walden, Fielding, Union, Saybrook, Capella , UoP , JIU, NCU, CTU , Trident, etc.) can serve the same purpose. But using a nontraditional doctorate to enter a profession in which you have little experience or accomplishment--but you want to enter academia traditionally--is folly. But we read a lot of these kinds of inquiries on this board.

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