Penn State receives accreditation warning

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  1. dlady

    dlady Active Member

  2. TEKMAN

    TEKMAN Semper Fi!

    Thanks for sharing! I sent this article for my best friend, who is currently a Penn State's student. He'll graduate next year with Bachelor of Science in Business Administration.
     
  3. 03310151

    03310151 Active Member

    If I am reading the article correctly this "warning" is more about financial, governance and integrity failings than it is academically based. Wow, still not good news for PSU and it's alumni.

    Interesting.
     
  4. That's how I read it as well. I guess "when it rains it pours" for them right now.
     
  5. My thoughts exactly.
     
  6. scottae316

    scottae316 New Member

    Too big to fail, probably. I think Middle States is doing two things; 1. Keeping tabs on the schools finances and also the progress they are making. 2. Well, we better do something also before people ask why we haven't. IMO, unless Penn State makes no progress on meeting the recommendations and requirements they will remain accredited.
     
  7. pfelectronicstech

    pfelectronicstech New Member

    Seems just a bit over the top, this had nothing to do with academics. I mean its still an incredible school education wise. Great engineering programs I was told. I think its a case where everyone is jumping in on the parade, and looking like they are doing something.
     
  8. StefanM

    StefanM New Member

    Accreditation isn't about academics only. It also includes financial issues, governance, mission, etc.

    This scandal relates directly to those issues, even if the events were not in the classroom.
     
  9. airtorn

    airtorn Moderator

    Yep.

    Penn State is a massive state university. It will have zero issues with recovering from this.
     
  10. CalDog

    CalDog New Member

    Penn State now faces potential financial liabilities for civil damages. There is no way to know the exact amount, but they could be very large; one estimate puts them in the $100,000,000+ range. A financial hit of this magnitude has the potential to affect the school's ongoing budget and operations, and could therefore indirectly affect academics.
     
  11. airtorn

    airtorn Moderator

    The school can pay that out and still have $1.7 billion left in the endowment fund.
     
  12. Chip

    Chip Administrator

    I am actually somewhat surprised and pleased to see Middle States taking this action. Regional accreditation comprises hundreds of criteria, among them institutional control and governance, integrity, legal compliance, and financial solvency. And I know that other regional accreditors have withdrawn accreditation for issues of governance and control before, so this isn't just a slap on the wrist.

    While I'm confident that the school will do absolutely everything required to maintain accreditation, I see this as Middle States saying, in effect, "You aren't going to be able to go back to business-as-usual and allow your athletic programs to control everything that goes on in the school, and your administration best not be asleep at the switch in the future." If Middle States is smart, they will keep Penn State on warning status for some time to ensure that meaningful change has actually happened, rather than lip service to change.

    This is also somewhat interesting in that some of the trustees of Penn State are now trying to go back to the NCAA and appeal the sanctions levied against them in light of the Sandusky scandal. I think the action of the trustees speaks volumes, in that they're saying, in effect, "Oh, we don't think what we did was so bad, so let us off with a lot less," while their own president acknowledged and agreed that the sanctions were appropriate and necessary.

    I think it's going to take an awful lot to change the culture of college-sports-as-primary-importance, and perhaps between NCAA, Middle States, and whatever other sanctions come about will finally get this through the thick heads of the folks that allowed this to happen in the first place.
     
  13. CalDog

    CalDog New Member

    It took Penn State more than 150 years to build up the endowment to that level. If they now owe $100,000,000+ in damages, plus $60,000,000 in NCAA fines, then roughly 10% of that endowment would be wiped out. This would not bankrupt them, but would be a huge financial setback.

    The question is whether or not Penn State would actually have to pay those damages out of their endowment. They do have insurance; however, their insurers are claiming that coverage should be denied because Penn State failed to make full disclosures about its potential liability.
     
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  14. friendorfoe

    friendorfoe Active Member

    If accreditation was purely about academics, I doubt Ashford University would be having all the trouble they are at this moment.
     
  15. According to ESPN, the 60 million is equivalent to what football program generates in revenue in ONE year. I found that pretty shocking.
     
  16. CalDog

    CalDog New Member

    That number is approximately correct. However, keep in mind the following points:

    - That number represents revenue, not profit. The football program obviously has expenses, so the profit is lower. In fiscal 2011, the revenue was $58.9 million, but the profit was $43.8 million. OK, that's still a big number.

    - On the other hand, most of the profits from the football program are used to subsidize the other athletic programs. All other Penn State men's teams, except for basketball, run at a loss. All Penn State women's teams run at a loss.

    - So the total profitability of Penn State athletics is not as amazing as one might think. Overall, Penn State athletics generated $116.1 million in revenue in fiscal 2011. But the operating profit was only a fraction of that total, at $14.8 million.
     
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  17. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    It puts accreditation in the headlines. Maybe that will lead to people learning more about it.

    The just irony here is that the coverup was enacted by individuals who wanted to keep the status quo and avoid tarnishing the reputation of the department. Now, the situation (for them, not the victims of course) is much worse than it ever would have been if somebody at some time thought that protecting children was more important than protecting the bottom line. The school will likely always be marred by this. Unfairly, maybe, since most of its emoyees and students were far removed from the controversy, but in this case, I don't mind Penn State being made an example of. Somewhere out there, there is another coverup with more victims. Someone should loom at the Penn State disaster and, even if not for reasons right reasons, realize that the best course of action is to come forward sooner rather than later.
     
  18. That's a tough pill to swallow for the other programs. I think it's going to be a while before they are even anywhere close to generating that type of money.
     
  19. Ian Anderson

    Ian Anderson Active Member

    My first thought on reading of the accreditation review was that maybe Penn State had been giving academic credit to athletes for little or no work.
     

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