An accredited University that accepts Unaccredited degree.

Hi,

I have studied for 4 years in a university that lost it's accreditation and they closed their campus later.

I Graduated in 2005, and they lost their accreditation in 2007.

My degree is authenticated from my embassy in US and my Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

I've been working since then and i'm facing no major issues,
And i am an Oracle Certified Professorial.

Now i'm seeking to study for a Masters Degree in MIS or CS.

My question is , if you know any online RA university that would accept my degree for a Masters Degree and consider my stupid case.


Thanks & Regards,

 

Joe83,

I think you need to write the letter to your prospective school regarding to accreditation issue. The rule of thumb that if you graduated while the school held accreditation; your degree was conferred under the accredited school. Which means your degree is legit and forever. According to your post, I assume your degree is from foreign university/college. Therefore, your degree and transcript must be evaluated by the Professional services. If that is the case, the service that is going to evaluate your degree and transcript will verify the accreditation of the school at the time at you graduate. So, to answer your question; the prospective school would accept your degree if the evaluation service verifies your DEGREE as LEGIT.

Good luck!

 

Accredited / Unaccredited Universities' degrees and certificates

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Affiliating Institutions and new employers should rightly consider the present status only of the degree granting University. For that matter, in in any questionner, against 'status' we are to write the present status So also, if the Univerity has changed the name, the latest name only has to be recognized/recorded. Who ever demands a letter of confirmation or a new certificate/diploma should be issued by the University indicating the year of passing. In the new statinery used for these purposes should indicate within bracket (...) the previous name. But all signatures shall be "For and on Behalf of" the new name. To quote an example followed by an Institute of high standing, when the Instituite of Managemet, UK, became "Chartered Instutute of Management", it issued new certificates to its previously qualified members.
//If a University has been disqualified now, the deterioration of its standard must have been in process for quite some time, including the time when the questioner received his degree. It sounds unkind, but it is a reality to be recognized.
//Now there is an ongoing demand by the gradustes of 'Pacific Western University, California' that the successor or the renamed and accredited 'California Miramar University' must give them fresh diplomas. This is a justified demand on several counts. Will it any way help Miramar to say that at that time we were not fit to be accredited ando our previous degrees are inferior?

Philipose Joy

 

Hi Joe - I'm sure that people would like to help but you've given us very little information. Your university - Why not just give us the name? Where are you from? What kind of accreditation did the school have and why did the school lose it's accreditation?

No school is required to accept any degree from anywhere. They always retain the right of refusal. So there is no one rule that applies to every school. No one can tell you that your degree will or will not be accepted, especially not without some of the details listed above. Best of luck.

 

"An ongoing demand," huh? Hmph! :sad: Good luck to 'em.

Pacific Western was always unaccredited, some say a mill. It was sold, rebranded as California Miramar and, after a lot of work, was accredited by DETC. What right have grads of the unaccredited, defunct school to demand diplomas in the name of the new accredited school they never attended? They got what they paid for!

The demand is justified on NO counts whatsoever. It's the same as "demanding" an exchange of a diploma from unaccredited SCUPS for an accredited California Southern U. degree --and yes, good luck with that one, too!

Will it help Miramar to say... etc? Yeah - it will. They're NOT the same school as their predecessor. They don't have to issue their diplomas to people who graduated from the predecessor (unaccredited) school.

Johann

 

Not to sound like a jerk, but who in their right mind would attend a completely unaccredited school? I mean we often argue between NA, and RA schools, but at least both are recognized by the Government. I just don't understand why anyone would this.

 

Not so. As TEKMAN pointed out, the rule of thumb is: If the school was accredited at the time the degree was conferred, then the degree should usually be considered legit. A proper, qualified professional evaluator is the final arbiter. Not you. Not me.[/QUOTE]


Johann

 

Because it's....

Cheaper
Easier
Faster
Simpler
and....

....employers often don't look, don't know, don't care.

There was a time in the 1970's and early '80's when good unaccredited schools were a viable alternative--there just weren't that many choices, especially for graduate education. Some California schools looked like they would do a good job, but it was very hard to tell the wheat from the chaff. (Really good schools got California Approval for some or all of their programs.) But by the 1990's there was very little reason for going that route. But because of the list above, people did it (and still do).

 

Yes, those are the main reasons, for sure - basically cutting corners in one form or another. As always, people have their reasons.

California has (once again) a State Approval process for unaccredited schools (BPPE) that is mainly there to guard against consumer fraud, rather than to ensure academic quality. There are a few BPPE-approved schools that are reputed to do a fairly decent job for what they charge, and have been operating for up to 30-odd years.

Nevertheless, as Dr. Rich says, there is comparatively little reason these days to go that route. You might save a bit of money, probably not as much as you'd think, but (at best) you get what you pay for - no more.

There are also a few single-purpose schools that are extremely good indeed at what they do, but lack traditional (institutional) accreditation, though they operate completely legally - e.g. the National Test Pilot School. Its program is accredited by ABET, the prestigious international engineering authority -- but the school itself has neither Big 6 nor National accreditation. And I'm NOT saying it needs it! :smile:

Sanford Burnham Institute, the highly-regarded medical research institute (with doctoral programs & post-docs) is now a candidate for WASC accreditation. It was always excellent -- even before it became a candidate for traditional accreditation.

Such examples are a small minority of unaccredited schools, but they do exist, though in smaller and smaller numbers over the years.

Johann

 

If employers were dumb enough not to check then that is valid, but for anything else I say it was a waste. In fact I would say the Government should not even allow this. I mean a school without any accreditation is not a school, its just a study hall that may or may not be good at even that. I simply don't get it.

 

Various states have provisions governing the use of unaccredited degrees, usually outlining circumstances in which they can/cannot be used, or declarations that must accompany their use. Not all unaccredited degrees are equal. For instance, those BPPE-approved California ones are perfectly legal -- there.

These State edicts about unaccred. degrees are often "more honour'd in the breach than the observance" as Shakespeare put it (in Hamlet). The odds of "getting away with it" are often pretty good, as authorities have another problem to solve - real crime. It's more important to stop people who hurt or kill others or steal money or valuables, than apprehend those who flash phony degrees, so this stuff goes on the back burner - unless the miscreant is pretending to be a doctor etc. And last I heard, the US usually has around 5,000 fake doctors "practising" at any one time. :sad:

People do get "outed" - lots of stories in the degree-fora, including law-enforcement officials discovered to have bought unaccredited degrees to get pay raises. I presume a lot more people carry on undetected and unscathed than are punished.

You can't catch (nearly) all of 'em -- so they flourish.

Johann

 

To me if you're not accredited at all, you're just a dude in a garage sending out books to people and printing out diplomas off your Dell computer. I was a little scared going to Penn Foster and they are perfectly accredited, but when I found out my lessons were not only DETC accredited but ACE evaluated I was good to go.

 

Well, sometimes, it might be from a farmhouse in Denmark (the defunct Knightsbridge U.) or the owner's basement (Rushmore U.) or a small rented room in a castle (a couple of Swiss unaccreds) -- but yeah, it could certainly be in a garage. They're all over. One guy (Salem Kureshi) runs about 20 fake universities plus some bogus accreditors from his apartment in Karachi, Pakistan.

Penn Foster - good choice. They've been doing what they do since the 1890s. You won't go wrong.

Johann

 

I suppose if the OP had just gone off to an unaccredited school then I could see your point. But he clearly said "I have studied for 4 years in a university that lost it's accreditation and they closed their campus later.I Graduated in 2005, and they lost their accreditation in 2007." So he didn't attend a completely unaccredited school. He attended a school that WAS accredited at the time he got his degree but later LOST the accreditation.

 

Oh no I'm not picking on him AT ALL. I was just saying in general, I honestly wasn't even really addressing him, more the fact that people do attend unaccredited schools. No disrespect to the OP at all, I apologize if I came off as bashing him personally. I was more bashing the concept of going to a school without accreditation.

 

Thanks, Penn Foster was great, no complaints. I have my application in and transcripts on the way to TESC for Electronics engineering technology, but Penn Foster's AS industrial electronics and electrical maintenance technology program was EXTREMELY tempting.