The ethics of 'outing' people with bad or fake degrees

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  1. John Bear

    John Bear Senior Member

    In 2001, a suit was filed in a case in which a woman who had been promoted to the position of principal in her school district‚ a job requiring a Master's degree‚ acquired this degree from an unrecognized online degree-awarding "service" after the job offer was made. A teacher in the district who had a legitimate Master's degree, and was in line for the job of principal, brought a suit against the school board, claiming they did not act appropriately. The attorney for this woman engaged the services of Dr. Marina Bear, a professional ethicist, to look at the complex ethical situation surrounding these matters. Marina's report (with specific references removed) can now be read on my publisher's site, Degree.Net:

    http://www.degree.net/news/ethics.html
     
  2. kgec

    kgec New Member

     
  3. kgec

    kgec New Member

    Re: Re: The ethics of 'outing' people with bad or fake degrees

    Her name is Audrey and she's good.

    TommyK
     
  4. kgec

    kgec New Member

    Re: Re: Re: The ethics of 'outing' people with bad or fake degrees

    How does one become a professional ethicist? You gotta go to school for that or what?

    TommyK
     
  5. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    Re: Re: Re: Re: The ethics of 'outing' people with bad or fake degrees

    Earning a Ph.D. in ethics (which Marina did) is certainly a great way to start.


    Bruce
     
  6. kgec

    kgec New Member

    Re: Re: Re: Re: The ethics of 'outing' people with bad or fake degrees

    (still reading)

    "There's a reason why pride was the first of the seven deadly sins"


    Why first? And, if first, why "was?". And.....never mind.

    (still reading)
    TommyK
     
  7. kgec

    kgec New Member

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The ethics of 'outing' people with bad or fake degrees

    Okay... done reading.

    If I may do some St. Paddy's day editing, try substituting [acting principal] for [priincipal] and see how it reads that way. Maybe even try it without the brackets.

    God bless us, everyone.
    TommyK
     
  8. kgec

    kgec New Member

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The ethics of 'outing' people with bad or fake degrees

    Oh, yeah, I forgot.

    What was the reason?

    God bless us, everyone
    TommyK
     
  9. John Bear

    John Bear Senior Member

    TommyK asks: How does one become a professional ethicist? You gotta go to school for that or what?

    John Bear replies:
    Well, it helps, even if ethicists like G. Buddha, J. Christ and F. O. Assisi didn't have degrees in the field. Marina has been studying philosophy and ethics for 30+ years and teaching it for the last ten (University of St. Franci, Vista College). She chose Vanderbilt for her Ph.D. (although admitted to Harvard and Yale) so she could study with perhaps the best-known scholar in the field, Alisdair McIntyre. She has been personal advisor to the presidents of two Fortune 500 companies (Bell & Howell, Midas-International). She's a very nice person, too.
     
  10. kgec

    kgec New Member

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The ethics of 'outing' people with bad or fake degrees

    Hi, Bruce.

    Did you click the link and read Marina's work?

    TommyK
     
  11. kgec

    kgec New Member

    I know she is. So's Audrey. So am I. So are you (Happy Birthday BTW).

    Is there a reason why pride is the first of the seven deadly sins? I always put it about fourth, but what the hell do I know?


    TommyK
     
  12. kgec

    kgec New Member

    Audrey is/was the right person for that job, IMO. Now you know more about it than I.

    God bless us, everyone.
    TommyK
     
  13. Tom Head

    Tom Head New Member

    According to Christian tradition, it was the first chronologically (as it was the sin of Adam and Eve, who wanted to be "as gods"; or, if you go back into non-canonical sources, the original sin of Lucifer himself).


    Cheers,
     
  14. kgec

    kgec New Member

    How the mighty have fallen.

    You're right, of course, but I'm still nominally Catholic and worried more about lust.

    God bless you and John and Marina and Audrey and everyone.
    TommyK
     
  15. Engaged Org

    Engaged Org New Member

    Not about "Outing"

    This report has little to do with the ethics of "outing". It is about the ethics of claiming an inappropriate degree.

    The ethics of "outing" is a completely different subject. In the report, the key actor is the acting principal.

    While considering the ethics of "outings", the person(s) who engages in the act of outing (exposing) is the key actor.
     
  16. Jack Tracey

    Jack Tracey New Member

    Re: Re: Re: Re: The ethics of 'outing' people with bad or fake degrees

    Aside from getting your PhD in Philosophy (of which Ethics is a branch) there are also programs of different descriptions in specialized areas such as Medical Ethics, Business Ethics, etc. Most of the ones that I'm familiar with are Masters programs found in various Australian universities. The issues show up regularly in the news, issues related to stem cell research and cloning, intellectual property rights, etc. Very interesting stuff.
    Jack
     
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  18. Tom Head

    Tom Head New Member

    Interestingly enough: I looked at firing up a local (Mississippi) branch of this organization a few years ago, and didn't associate it with professional ethical consultation; I was just looking for a less political, more diverse answer to the American Humanist Association (which I didn't really feel comfortable with, due largely to its commitment to scientific naturalism and its relative lack of commitment to dialogue). I didn't even go far enough with the idea to join the organization, but I remember being impressed with what I saw at the time.

    BTW- Folks looking for a career as an ethicist would be well-served by the low-residency Ph.D. in Professional and Applied Ethics offered by Charles Sturt University, Australia; they also offer a (completely nonresident, I think) master's in the field.


    Cheers,
     

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