Another time bomb goes off...a little late

The cover story from today's Plain Dealer has created quite a stir locally in Cleveland. It has even provided fodder for this morning's drive-time jocks on the radio. Too bad about her choice of schools...she probably could have saved some money by communiting to nearby Ratchford University!

 

I was just about to post the same story, Jeff.

Great minds think alike?

Regards,


Tony

 

Perhaps the Rev. Dr. Chief Swift Eagle could fly to Cleveland and confirm this young lady's credentials. Of course, that may cost another $99.75!

 

I want one of them "theocentric business and ethics" degrees!

She should have spent the extra $60 for the Masters degree then. That's only another $5 more per month... or the full $199 for the PhD.

 

It is amazing how some people are taken in by degree mills. Just read their web-site...

"Mature adults, through life experiences and informal study, have often accumulated a great deal of knowledge. Unfortunately this type of learning is not always recognized because it is not obtained in a formal classroom setting.

Examples of life experiences which we accept as legitimate learning activities are on-the-job learning, non-credit post secondary programs, significant volunteerism in social work, executive leadership, and other experiences that may equate to academic study programs, as well as general knowledge gained through life experiences.

Most of our students are able to complete all studies within sixty days, although they are allowed up to one year to finish all course work."

Don't people realize that for a legitimate US RA degree life experiences are only granted credited if they include legitimate learning activities that equate to academic study programs.

Don't people realize that for a legitimate US RA degree, a mature individual would generally be able to complete a degree in... wait one second, uh four times seven is... yes, 28 days!


It is clear that the standards for this degree are greatly inferior to a US RA degree.

 

Kinda a like --------- duh! Who is more stupid, the person who thought they were getting a real degree for 99.95 or a human resource person that can't distinguish a real college or university?

 

I've been in touch with the Cleveland reporter. Turns out the woman in question also had a degree from the even-phonier (if such a thing is possible) Columbia State University, so when she finishes explaining how much work she did to earn her first phony one, she can start in on that.

 

Reminds me of the ridiculous nine-day MBA from Heriot-Watt: nine days of testing, no classes, no residencies, no research papers, and it is a royally chartered graduate degree. Outragious!

 

Unfortunately, that is one of the reasons many people are driven to "non-traditional" education, a quest for real knowlege, and not the politics and other nonsense that occurs in brick and mortar schools where in some cases, what you have learned and understand has little to do with how you are graded.

That is what I always wanted from school, real knowlege, but found more often than not, there was more politics than education going on in some schools.

The quest for real knowlege continues.

 

While I suppose that is theoretically possible ("in some cases"), I have only received grades (marks) in my BS and MS programs that were linearly related to my study time (unfortunately in some cases). While some instructors may come and go due to institutional politics, I think it is just an unaccredited degree-holder's defensive argument to toss out thousands of accredited institutions because of some anecdotes. Where is it written that the instructors in unaccredited schools are blessed with a higher calling than their cousins at accredited schools?

To me, you have a worse problem with unaccredited schools; you have to first correctly separate the complete scams from the sincere schools, and then choose from among the latter to find the ones that have had their politics surgically removed.

You either overlooked or misinterpreted Ken's sarcasm. He was taking a now tiresome shot a RA schools through the BA in 4 weeks route and I was showing a UK example of exactly the same practice.

Bill Highsmith, NC4V

 

Bill, you are smoking the bad stuff again.

This is the logic.

Example #2 (more specifically)
Thomas Edison State College utilizes examination assessment
The University of London utilizes examination assessment
Therefore, TESC and UoL are equal.

Of course, this is absurd because it ignores one fact... SOME EXAMS ARE MORE DIFFICULT THAN OTHERS.

Of course academic rigor discussions are apparently off limits... best we focuse on how we can trim our 4 week degrees down to 3 weeks.

I wonder though, why would someone pursue the Metaphysical degree for 60 days when you can get a TESC one for 28 days?

 

Sorry, but that doesn't fly. Your stale joke is this, to quote you: "Don't people realize that for a legitimate US RA degree, a mature individual would generally be able to complete a degree in... wait one second, uh four times seven is... yes, 28 days!"

Since you're offended by 28-days of test-taking resulting in a degree, why aren't you offended by 9-days of test taking resulting in a H-W MBA? Nitpicking about the scheduling of the test days (going from 28 days to 3 weeks) is silly and is more indication that it is the number of days that you are offended by. If someone spread those 28 (or 9) days of tests over four or twenty years, would that make you feel better?

 

Actually, that is what I hear British standards are like.

A mature adult can get a BSc from the London School of Economics in 3 weeks... an MBA from Heriot Watt in 1 week and an extra week for a Phd.

Of course I am not sure about this... I just read it on the internet but since it is possible to get a BA in 4 weeks from such a high quality academic system, it makes sense.

 

Heriot-Watt MBA

This message is for Bill Highsmith. I just want to let you know that the State of New Jersey, Department of Personnel has deemed the distance learning MBA from Heriot-Watt to be equivalent to a traditional, RA MBA from a U.S. school. this determination was based on a credential review conducted by one of the top credential review services. So, while it may seem ludicrous to you, the MBA is a legitimate degree.

If you disagree with the concept of receiving credit for simply passing an examination, you must be bonkers over the CLEP program!

 

And with your departure from the HW-MBA program, British standards have something in common with US RA standards: You couldn't meet either. This, in my mind, makes you less than qualified to comment on their relative rigor; how good would a vegetarian be at judging the quality of different meats?

So, while I'm off to add THIS identity of yours to my Ignore List, you go right on and continue your quest for back-door entry into a halfways credible program that you MIGHT have the testicular fortitude to complete. I'm sure we'll hear all about it, albeit in three months under some other identity.

 

Re: Heriot-Watt MBA

Read the thread again. I don't think anyone has argued (except Ken, through his backward logic) that the HW-MBA program isn't legitimate.

That said, I wouldn't hang my opinion of a program on the judgement of the chuckleheads at the NJ Department of Personnel. To use the "meat" analogy again, it's like getting an opinion on hamburgers from a hot dog vendor. A program is legitimate in its own right or it isn't.