UK Graduates Unfit for Jobs!

Discussion in 'General Distance Learning Discussions' started by Warnborough, Jun 12, 2011.

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  1. Warnborough

    Warnborough Member

    Are graduates better prepared for jobs in other countries?

    "Employers expect graduates to demonstrate a range of skills and attributes that include team-working, communication, leadership, critical thinking, problem solving and often managerial abilities or potential. Employers are frustrated that higher education courses do not meet their needs."

    Universities need to teach basic job skills, say employers - Telegraph
     
  2. SurfDoctor

    SurfDoctor Moderator

    This has been a problem with higher education for many decades in many countries. University education provides large amounts of theory and very little in useful job skills. I sometimes think that some of the NA trade schools possibly do a better job in preparing students for the workforce than many universities do.
     
  3. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    This is not true, some graduates and some schools in UK make the others look bad.\\\UK has very strong system of education, lets not jump to conclusions.

    I will argue that DETC accredited universities in USA provide great applied knowledge that is used on the job.
    This is why they are in demand and are around. The demand will grow as the secret is out, RA as good as it is its more theoretical, and great research programs, good for teaching positions wile NA is more hands on for practical contribution to industry on the job and leadership.

    ABET for centuries is been asked by the employers to formulate programs that are good for industry.
    Not all RA schools are the same. There are really good programs out there.

    As to UK, they have framework of qualifications that today is better accepted by the employers then many of the degrees.
     
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  4. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    Yeah! Colleges need to offer more courses on things like how to say, "Would you like fries with that?"
     
  5. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    What you state is the unfortunate reality for many graduates that will be tasting the bad economy. The many unemployed college grads will learn how to stay sober, and how the wild party life on the campus really didn't contribute their job as a bar tender.

    Employer want some one who can do the job. So I differentiated between adult learners who already employed and go to school to gain knowledge and the yang lads who after high school go to university, they do need no training in fast foods industry they are the workers in the fast food industry.

    Workplace skills have been part of vocationally-oriented degrees such as engineering for several years. That is because ABET works with industry to represent the industry needs. I UK the same is done by ECUK IET accredits programs i Engineering. The same for DETC degree programs they are vocationally-oriented. The snobs in higher education will deny and that is natural. But employers see the results on the job place and know better.

    Other fields that have no professional accreditation or specialty accreditation or are not accredited by QCA regulated / accredited qualification have a problem.
     
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  6. SurfDoctor

    SurfDoctor Moderator

    Well said. My point exactly.
     
  7. b4cz28

    b4cz28 Active Member

    That's how I felt. Good way to end the NA vs RA thing right there....
     
  8. truckie270

    truckie270 New Member

    Yep.....that solves it, no need for any further discussion.:rolleyes:
     
  9. ryoder

    ryoder New Member

    Devils advocate here. If RA is more research based and is better suited for teaching, then what are they teaching? How to be a teacher? Teachers honestly need to take a look at their students and ask themselves if these kids deserve a paycheck. If they do, then they deserve to have marketable skills. I think that RA,NA,DETC schools should look themselves in the figurative mirror and make sure that they are providing a valuable education for students. And by valuable I mean an education that allows the student to be paid for applying what they have learned. I have interviewed many computer science masters and bachelors degree holders who had very little computer programming knowledge and it is very sad when they are turned down at an interview or, even worse, are fired after a few months of struggling to perform basic programming tasks. Most of my skills were learned on my own and not in the university so I have no idea if the school system is capable of providing an education for computer professionals.
     

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