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    2 new doctoral degrees by distance study THE DOCTORATE IN BEHAVIORAL HEALTH and PhD

    These two doctoral degrees can be done by distance study
    One is hoping to produce a new mental health professional. It is not a degree to be licensed as a Psychologist .It is good for those already licensed in a mental health field or those willing to risk that this new practitioner might be licensed someday.
    THE DOCTORATE IN BEHAVIORAL HEALTH
    "Yes, a distance-learning program will be available for the Doctor of Behavioral Health Program. The first cohort of students in fall will have the opportunity to attend either as a resident or via distance learning"

    Doctor of Behavioral Health

    And a PhD program in Infant and Early Childhood Mental Health and Developmental Disorders (not a clinical psych degree)
    " Will this be a distance learning program?

    * Yes. Students have access to distance learning via online classes, by logging into the ICDL Virtual Classroom, a private interactive web platform housed on the ICDL website. To find more information about this interactive distance learning format, click here."


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    This program is state approved but not regionally accredited yet and expensive.

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    Whenever new programs like this appear in unaccredited schools I wonder about whether it is a mill. The first thing I do for a sniff test is to look at the faculty. Most scam schools don't even list any faculty or if they do it's impossible to verify their credentials. The school above seems to pass that sniff test. Not only do they list their entire faculty but all their credentials, degree origins, etc. I will leave it to others to check further but hopefully this is an ambitious start-up school that will eventually become accredited.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kizmet View Post
    Whenever new programs like this appear in unaccredited schools I wonder about whether it is a mill. The first thing I do for a sniff test is to look at the faculty. Most scam schools don't even list any faculty or if they do it's impossible to verify their credentials. The school above seems to pass that sniff test. Not only do they list their entire faculty but all their credentials, degree origins, etc. I will leave it to others to check further but hopefully this is an ambitious start-up school that will eventually become accredited.
    The first one is for Arizona State University. The second is kind of confusing.

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    Would the ASU Doctorate in Behavioral health be something that someone with a MSW could use to expand their teaching and practicing potential, or would a traditional DSW be more appropriate?

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    Interesting that ICDL is in Maryland, but approved by the California Bureau for Private Postsecondary and Vocational Education (BPPVE). Although, it seems like it could be an interesting program. I'd like to learn more about it and why it's neither accredited or recognized by an institution in Maryland.

    I have seen the DBH at ASU advertised in some professional magazines, and I'm still really lost as to what exactly it would be used for. It's a short program (I think 18 months?) with 3 different tracks depending on where you are professionally. It also seems similar to a DBA degree or a DSW, which one might get when desiring to be a program director... rather than getting a Ph.D to research and teach. Can you teach with a DSW degree?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hadashi no Gen View Post
    Interesting that ICDL is in Maryland, but approved by the California Bureau for Private Postsecondary and Vocational Education (BPPVE). Although, it seems like it could be an interesting program. I'd like to learn more about it and why it's neither accredited or recognized by an institution in Maryland.
    Nevermind... the school is in CA, even though the council is in MD.

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    I'm not sure you can teach with the DSW, I believe it's more clinical. All of the faculty I researched had an MSW and PhD. So I guess the question is what would you do with the degree? In this field licensing is a big issue, so if it's not properly accredied, that gives it less utility in some states.

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    I am having a hard time understanding the usefulness of the degree too. It seems as though ASU is trying to make a Doctorate that can be used by mental health professionals who want to advance in their career... but the fact that "Doctor of Behavioral Health" is so specific of a term seems like it would make a person less competitive than a DSW or PhD. Also, not all mental health professionals or mental health organizations where one might want to work are behaviorally oriented.

    Right now my opinion of this program is that it's been created by ASU to capitalize on the large amount of Masters-level mental health professionals who feel stuck in their jobs... like so many other doctorate programs that have been popping up over the last few years. So, I will need to learn more to get a better sense of why someone would need this degree or how they could use it. Your point about licensing is a very good point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hadashi no Gen View Post
    Interesting that ICDL is in Maryland, but approved by the California Bureau for Private Postsecondary and Vocational Education (BPPVE). Although, it seems like it could be an interesting program. I'd like to learn more about it and why it's neither accredited or recognized by an institution in Maryland.

    I have seen the DBH at ASU advertised in some professional magazines, and I'm still really lost as to what exactly it would be used for. It's a short program (I think 18 months?) with 3 different tracks depending on where you are professionally. It also seems similar to a DBA degree or a DSW, which one might get when desiring to be a program director... rather than getting a Ph.D to research and teach. Can you teach with a DSW degree?
    Although it is much more common to see the Ph.D., there are quite a few faculty teaching in departments of social work with the DSW as their terminal degree.
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    A DBH would make someone who practices as a BCBA about $25 - $50 more per hour. There are only 10,000 plus BCBA worldwide and they mostly practice providing behavioral supports to persons with autism. But, it could be used for other things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lsummy View Post
    A DBH would make someone who practices as a BCBA about $25 - $50 more per hour. There are only 10,000 plus BCBA worldwide and they mostly practice providing behavioral supports to persons with autism. But, it could be used for other things.
    Would you please explain how you came up with this salary information?

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    A.S., Liberal Studies - Excelsior College 2009

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    Quote Originally Posted by japhy4529 View Post
    Would you please explain how you came up with this salary information?

    Thanks,

    Yes, Please! When I received my PhD in Counseling my client load increased but my hourly fee did not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psydoc View Post
    Yes, Please! When I received my PhD in Counseling my client load increased but my hourly fee did not.
    Yes...

    Board Certified Behavior Analyst - Doctoral (BCBA-D)

    It seems that the BCBA-D credential is rather new. What could this type of person do that a BCBA can not, and why would they require more pay?

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    Purpose of the DBH degree!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Hadashi no Gen View Post
    I am having a hard time understanding the usefulness of the degree too. It seems as though ASU is trying to make a Doctorate that can be used by mental health professionals who want to advance in their career... but the fact that "Doctor of Behavioral Health" is so specific of a term seems like it would make a person less competitive than a DSW or PhD. Also, not all mental health professionals or mental health organizations where one might want to work are behaviorally oriented.

    Right now my opinion of this program is that it's been created by ASU to capitalize on the large amount of Masters-level mental health professionals who feel stuck in their jobs... like so many other doctorate programs that have been popping up over the last few years. So, I will need to learn more to get a better sense of why someone would need this degree or how they could use it. Your point about licensing is a very good point.
    The DBH program is specifically designed to bridge the gap between the medical model and mental health model by educating and training (currently mental health professionals) on skills needed to work effectively in primary, specialty and emergency care fields. Simply taking a counselor from the mental health field and dropping them into a primary care clinic would be catastrophic as the two systems do not run paralle with each other. PCP =15 minute sessions counselors = 55 minute sessions. PCP open door policy conselors = DND policy. This is just some of the more obvious difference in practice.

    The basic model could look like this:
    A BHP (behavioral health professional) works in a Primary care office with 2 MD's or NP's and 2-3 PA's. The PCP sees a patient for a medical condition. During the visit the patient shares or shows indications of a behaviorally related issue such as depression and/or anxiety or other somatic condition. The PCP briefly discusses the concerns and then relays to the patient that he would like the patient to meet with the BHP. The PCP leaves the room and consults with the BHP regarding the behavioral health concerns they have and does a "warm handoff" of the patient to the BHP. The BHP continues the visit with the patient and spends more time probing cause and effect issues, level of care need to address issues and identifies brief treatment modalities to address the issues or completes a referral to a speciality care if the issues are more significant such as Bi-polar or Schizophrenia.

    Scenario 2:
    PCP is speaking with a patient about a recent diagnosis of diabetes or the need to discontinue smoking due to COPD. PCP informs the patient that he would like to have the BHP come in and speak with the patient regarding lifestyle changes that need to happen. The PCP consults with the BHP regarding the concerns of the PCP and expectations. The BHP meets with the patient and works on eliciting internal motivation for the lifestyle change and initiates a behavior change program facilitated by the BHP.

    The facts is about 80% of individuals with mental/behavioral health issues never make it to a mental health specialist and continue receive their care from a PCP. Unfortunately PCP's are not well versed in the treatment of mental health and often cause more harm than good when they begin medication treatment. With the significant time constraints on a PCP of about 15 minutes per patient they are unable to spend the time needed to adaquately help the patient beyond a medication treatment. With the move to integrative health care and a shift from fee for service to fee for outcome... it will be more important than ever to engage the patient in the change and treatment process while still allowing the PCP to be able to see more severe cases.

    That is plan and purpose for the DBH program. upon graduation you will be a Doctor of Behavioral Health and they are working on Licensure requirements per state.

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    Purpose of the DBH degree!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Hadashi no Gen View Post
    I am having a hard time understanding the usefulness of the degree too. It seems as though ASU is trying to make a Doctorate that can be used by mental health professionals who want to advance in their career... but the fact that "Doctor of Behavioral Health" is so specific of a term seems like it would make a person less competitive than a DSW or PhD. Also, not all mental health professionals or mental health organizations where one might want to work are behaviorally oriented.

    Right now my opinion of this program is that it's been created by ASU to capitalize on the large amount of Masters-level mental health professionals who feel stuck in their jobs... like so many other doctorate programs that have been popping up over the last few years. So, I will need to learn more to get a better sense of why someone would need this degree or how they could use it. Your point about licensing is a very good point.
    The DBH program is specifically designed to bridge the gap between the medical model and mental health model by educating and training (currently mental health professionals) on skills needed to work effectively in primary, specialty and emergency care fields. Simply taking a counselor from the mental health field and dropping them into a primary care clinic would be catastrophic as the two systems do not run paralle with each other. PCP =15 minute sessions counselors = 55 minute sessions. PCP open door policy conselors = DND policy. This is just some of the more obvious difference in practice.

    The basic model could look like this:
    A BHP (behavioral health professional) works in a Primary care office with 2 MD's or NP's and 2-3 PA's. The PCP sees a patient for a medical condition. During the visit the patient shares or shows indications of a behaviorally related issue such as depression and/or anxiety or other somatic condition. The PCP briefly discusses the concerns and then relays to the patient that he would like the patient to meet with the BHP. The PCP leaves the room and consults with the BHP regarding the behavioral health concerns they have and does a "warm handoff" of the patient to the BHP. The BHP continues the visit with the patient and spends more time probing cause and effect issues, level of care need to address issues and identifies brief treatment modalities to address the issues or completes a referral to a speciality care if the issues are more significant such as Bi-polar or Schizophrenia.

    Scenario 2:
    PCP is speaking with a patient about a recent diagnosis of diabetes or the need to discontinue smoking due to COPD. PCP informs the patient that he would like to have the BHP come in and speak with the patient regarding lifestyle changes that need to happen. The PCP consults with the BHP regarding the concerns of the PCP and expectations. The BHP meets with the patient and works on eliciting internal motivation for the lifestyle change and initiates a behavior change program facilitated by the BHP.

    The facts is about 80% of individuals with mental/behavioral health issues never make it to a mental health specialist and continue receive their care from a PCP. Unfortunately PCP's are not well versed in the treatment of mental health and often cause more harm than good when they begin medication treatment. With the significant time constraints on a PCP of about 15 minutes per patient they are unable to spend the time needed to adaquately help the patient beyond a medication treatment. With the move to integrative health care and a shift from fee for service to fee for outcome... it will be more important than ever to engage the patient in the change and treatment process while still allowing the PCP to be able to see more severe cases.

    That is plan and purpose for the DBH program. upon graduation you will be a Doctor of Behavioral Health and they are working on Licensure requirements per state.

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    The New York guidelines for licensure as a BCBA are here.

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