US DOE Proposal to Take Over Higher Education

Discussion in 'General Distance Learning Discussions' started by Maniac Craniac, Oct 28, 2010.

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  1. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    It's 83 pages, so, no, I didn't read it all :biggrin:. However, in skimming through it, there are some interesting regulatory proposals, like having a universal definition for a "credit hour," and requiring a process to be in place to evaluate the validity of a high school diploma. Then there is the wealth of recommendations regarding financial aid, and this little gem: "The proposed regulations would amend the definition of ‘‘full-time student’’ in § 668.2 to allow repeated coursework to count towards a student’s enrollment status in term-based programs.""

    In short, it looks like the DOE wants to reign in on the accreditors and take away at least some of their autonomy in favor of standardization.

    http://www.nasfaa.org/PDFs/2010/PILinkedNPRM.pdf

    What do you see as the good, the bad, and the ugly here?
     
  2. AV8R

    AV8R Active Member

    I've been keeping up with this development, at least somewhat. I think it's an attempt to fix something that isn't broken and don't see any good coming from it.
     
  3. StefanM

    StefanM New Member

    I'm not sure about the credit hour definitions and other matters, but I do think the removal of the 12 safe harbors of incentive compensation is a positive action. The safe harbors had the effect of completely undermining legislative intent, and I am glad to see them go.
     
  4. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Remember the golden rule: Who has the gold makes the rules.

    In this case, the ever increasing restrictions apply to school that participate in "Title IV", the federal financial aid system.

    What I wonder is how long it will be before schools start saying, "You know, maybe we can do things through private loans instead and regain some of our freedom."

    -=Steve=-
     
  5. StefanM

    StefanM New Member

    Good luck on finding a lender for private loans. The schools in most cases lack the capital to do the lending themselves, and student loans are just too risky to be profitable for the majority of students. Additionally, why would I go with a private loan at one school at 10-15% interest when I can get 6.8% with all of the flexible repayment options at another?

    Also, this doesn't even touch the issue of grants. A school would be hard-pressed to give up Title IV funding because students could not receive Pell grants.
     
  6. ITJD

    ITJD Active Member

    Ultimately, I have more faith in guidelines that are loose, revised and improved upon periodically and enforced by a government body than I have in accreditation bureaus staffed by academics responsible for justifying and approving academic programs. However, I don't trust a government body to know anything about quality of an academic program.

    As long as the government sets guidelines for what the minimum standards are for a program and moves to set a standard for credits such that it eases transfer requirements and pre-requisites, while the accreditation bureaus still determine quality, I'm alright with this.

    If the point is to usurp the accreditors then this will end badly.
     
  7. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    This administration is a huge government take over, so why is anybody surprised that government wants to take over higher education?
     
  8. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    The forefathers of the United States wrote the Constitution to regulate and control the growth of the Federal government, which relegated it to the defense of the country. In the 20th and 21st Centuries, the growth of the Federal government has done exactly what the framers of the Constitution feared e.g. it has become a behemoth money gobbling giant. The U.S. government used around 3% of the GDP for the first 150 years of the nation, but now it's up to about 28% with no end in sight to this exponential growth.

    The Constitution does not support the tentacles of social security, nor the Federal Department of Education. Constitutional freedoms are being given away for a "take care of me" attitude. There is no end in sight to the growth of the Federal government.
     
  9. 03310151

    03310151 Active Member

    Well, the DOE has done such a marvelous job with primary education since it's inception. I think this is a wonderful idea....uh no :(
     
  10. truckie270

    truckie270 New Member

    +1. Look at the bang-up job the federal government has done with the postal service, Amtrak, Fannie/Freddie, social security, medicare, medicaid..............................................................................
     

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